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Hmmm, That is interesting, to say the least. I can't see it being that large though. First thing is, that would make it larger than a Ha'Tak class Goa'uld ship, and we clearly know it isn't. Secondly, the visual evidence from the episodes also says something different than 700 meters. That would make the Daedalus class ships .43496 miles long. That size also doesn't jive with the stated and apparent sizes of Atlantis. Basically, the "claimed" size of Atlantis by Bruce W. himself is about 1.5Km, so if the Daedalus is 700 meters, it would be nearly half the size of Atlantis. Also, Bruce W. and Rainmaker are not the only people doing the SFX for the SG franchise. Rainmaker, possibly, just a theory, could have built the models based on one scale, and the franchise scales it differently. Clearly, scaling is a big issue with the SG franchise. One only needs to look at episodes like Camalot to see a whole bunch of inconsistancies. IE: the Ori Supergate being 400 meters across, yet the Ori ships being 2 or 3 times the width of a Ha'Tak. Also, some background info here, the known size of the Great Pyramid in Giza is 229m.
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The horizontal cross section of the pyramid is square at any level, with each side measuring 229 m (751 ft) in length.
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So, naturally, the Ha'Tak's must be larger in order for it to land on a pyramid like that. Other pyramids range in size from the smaller end being 50 meters at the base, and the "average" ones being around 100 meters, with the largest being the Great Pyramid at 229m, (Originally 231m but has since decayed some.) And all this is not including the scenes where a Ha'Tak is landing on Cheyenne Mountain.
There is some direct evidence discounting the 700 meter size.
1.) F-302's coming out of the hangar bays.
A.) if the Daedalus was 700 meters long, the width would be somewhere between 2/3's and 3/4's the length of the ship. This would make each hangar bay around 100 meters wide. The main hull section would also be more than 100 meters, somewhere between 110-120 meters. In other words, you could have a regulation football or soccer field inside each hangar, with plenty of room for bleachers and a consession stand or two. Cheeseburgers anyone?
B.) with a 700 meter length, the windows on the side of the Big D would be 2.6 meters long. That's an 8 and a half foot long window. I don't think they even make aircraft grade pressure glass that big. Biggest piece I've ever seen was 2 feet long. And that was probably 5 inches thick.
C.) the hangar bay doors would be 15 meters high, or 49.2 feet. That's nearly a 5 story building. In other words, you could stack 2 of your average houses on top of eachother and they'd fit through the door easily. The doors would also be about 58 meters wide. That's 190.2 feet.
2.) Bruce W. before has stated that Atlantis is about 1.5Km, and now he states that the Daedalus class ships are 700 meters? You mean to tell me that the Daedalus is almost half the size of Atlantis? *cough* bull... *cough*
3.) In the shot where Sam is brought back into the Odyssey's hangar bay, the hangar opening sure doesn't look 190 feet wide, or 50 feet tall.
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indirect evidence dicounting Bruce's size claim, and supports the smaller size range of 400-450 meters.
1.) Where are they building a nearly half mile long ship?
A.) If it's above ground, it would be easily seen by satalites.
B.) You'd be able to see it if you were standing on the ground from atleast 20 miles away, if not more.
C.) If it's below ground, how the heck do they get it out? Have you ever seen ANY door or roof THAT big? (Other than the hangar built by the Ancients that had the Orion in it.) The door/hatch/roof would need to be atleast slightly longer and wider than the ship itself. I just don't see this happening at all. I know the Prometheus had a large roof hatch that could open, but that was a much smaller ship. I just don't think they could build a door large enough and strong enough to enclose a 700 meter ship.
D.) Curiously, it takes the US 3 years to build a naval aircraft carrier, atleast. Yet, they supposedly can build a space ship more than twice this size in just one year? AND still keep it a secret?
E.) A US supercarrier costs around $4.5 BILLION dollars. Yet it's been suggested that a Daedalus costs about $7 billion. The Daedalus is far more complicated, so it should cost a lot more. A US aircraft carrier is about 332 meters long. Now, if you believe a more reasonable length of 450 meters, the price difference is much more believable.
2.) Also, I scaled a X-303 Prometheus to the approximate scale based on the Daedalus and F-302 size comparison, and if 700 meters is the case, then the Prometheus was about 416 meters long. (1364.83 feet, more than a quarter mile. ) I also scaled an Al'Kesh to the F-302 and Deathglider, and IF the Big D is 700 meters, then an Al'Kesh would fit through the hangar bay doors and in the hangar bays. I personally have no doubt that the bays are long enough in either case of 450 meter or 700 meter length, but only the 700 meter length would be wide and tall enough to allow an Al'Kesh through the doors. Ironically, if the scaling is consistant between the Daedalus and Prometheus, then an Al'Kesh would almost fit through the Promy's hangar doors. And we know for a FACT that is not true.
Zake, I know that Bruce W. claims that 700 meter size, but he is also the one that said Atlantis is only 1.5km across. I know he is the SFX supoervisor at Rainmaker, but he has been consistantly inconsistant with scaling estimates. People over at Gateworld have done scaling measurements based on screen evidence from multiple episodes of both shows. There have been some inconsistancies yes, BUT, so far the what they've come up with supports the on-screen evidence and logic itself. As such, I don't believe Bruce W.'s claim of 700 meters for the Daedalus class ships. That is just bull manure. He's either lying, misinformed or just full of it. Everything I've seen has all agreed on a 400-450 meter range for Daedalus class ships. The SFX houses may build them as being bigger, but that's not how they work out to be in the grand scheme of things on screen. Unfortunately, there is no definitive and established canon, one of my main gripes about the shows, that and the lack of or gross over pricing of SG merchandise.