Wolf Class Starship - original/fan design

[Jayru]

The dish IS the right way round (Or in other words, it looked silly the other way around )

Few things to ponder there...

[gevatter Lars]

While I personaly like the second version more I think the first version for the upper dish is fitting better into the design. Since you allready have some grabble here and there.

Also..where can I order the ship? ^_^
I realy like the design. Its compact and still has its own style.

[Jayru]

I think it's going to be a case of merging all the ideas... at some point.

Originally Posted by gevatter Lars

..where can I order the ship?

You need to place your order at the beginning of the month, generally in writing, and agree to all sorts of things... Orders can take 11-12 years to deliver... (the people I designed it for have been waiting around that length of time for it... LOL).

Seriously though, I haven't heard back from them about a public release of the mesh. I have a feeling that it may come down to me

[Jayru]

Had another really lengthy email about this ship and project, asking loads of questions that I am sure have already been covered in this thread. I don't mind, if people want to waist there time like that, but personally before I post/pm/email someone with a questions like that I like to check and see if it's already been answered

The only reason people have my email addy is becasue I stupidly left it up on my profile page - although that has been edited now. Starscream and Aridas Sofia have it, and I trust them both well enough to know they aren't passing it out willy-nilly - so my comments are not aimed at you guys. As I say, it was "my bad" for making it public in the first place

That being said, the same questions/points(/arguments?) keep cropping up, so consider the below a "Wolf Class FAQ" - and something I can point people to in future. If I've missed anything, let me know - I'll add it to the list, and link my sig to the post so I can point people this way in future ;"

1. The Wolf Class was designed for the Horizon Sci-Fi & Fanatsy Club, for use in their Trek RPG 11/12 years ago - and the "USS Horizon" was the main "ship" used by them until 2001 when the club split into two RPGs was re-branded as Cabal-Online and Star Trek: Guardian. As a result there are some 5 years worth of stories written about the ship, and therefore a few things that have to be kept with the design to keep it consistant with them
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2. Yep, as stated this is a somewhat "re-imaged" version of the design, and I have made some changes - but nothing that impacts on the original lines, or what is "known" of the ship. I was using my original drawings as a reference to certain things, but more recently I have stopped using them, and am working from memory, imagination, and C&C from here - and from elsewhere...
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3. The Wolf Class was designed by me - so any faults with the design and the idea rest firmly on my shoulders, but given that it's science fiction, I am not overly worried about how the Bussard Collectors work, or so called "nacelle line of site." Given that Paramount hasn't worried too much about those very things on a few ships, I figure we - the fans - can get away with things now and then
   Also; if people really need an explination I can get all nerd like and come up with one that will not only fit the science (as we understand it) in Trek, but settle any worries on that score. It all depends on how you look at things, and whether you believe that bussard collectors can only work in one direction... But I'd rather not get all nerdy - geeky yes, but not nerdy.
   Once you go nerd, it's hard to go back...
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4. According to the notes I have, and the stories written, the first of the Wolf Class were launched the same year that Voyager got home (or 2377 for those that need a date). This makes the class "pre-Nemesis" - as that film is set in 2379, apparently. But it also makes it post-Voyager... so tech wise it's more akin to the refit Ent-E we saw in Nemesis
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5. The scale (previously) shown with against a Defiant and Intrepid Class IS correct. The Wolf Class is 318 meters long, and has 15 decks. It is possible that I might change or add something that will effect the length/height/width - but not by much. Scaling the ship to make it smaller and only 7/8 decks tall would not work with the shape of the ship.
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6. The number of phaser arrays is correct for a ship of this size. I don't need to add more, or for that matter reduce the number. The same applies to the torpedo launchers and the recently added probe launchers (well, the place holders until I build the actual ones). The armerment on this ship is correct for a vessel of it's size, and is on par with the nearest sized canon ship - the Intrepid. Anything more is going to be - well, silly, and just OTT. Fan designed ship she may be, but it's not going to be a fan designed ship that can kill a Borg Cube in a single shot. Ships like that are boring...
   That, and I know the ship is not invincable, becasue having created it, I was the one who insisted on writing the story that saw it get destroyed And believe me when I say - the Horizon got one hell of a send off... (yes, I know, I am crossing the boarder into Sadsville... but the sun seems to be nicer over there).
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7. The warp nacelles are not too small. They are within the same sort of porpotions used by the Intrepid Class. In fact, becasue this was a point that many people had strong views on I changed the size of the nacelles so that they are now bigger porportionally than the ones used by the Intrepid. They do not need to be bigger, longer, or thicker. (To be honest when I see comments like that, I can't help but wonder if we're talking about nacelles - or something more pornorgraphic in nature).
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8. Yes, I know. Part of the nacelles are angled.
   What? Are you telling me that after having had warp drive for 200 years that the Federation wouldn't be trying out new ideas and new nacelle designs?
   Take a look at your car engine - how different is it from the first one ever created?
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9. The Wolf Class is a multi-mission explorer. In other words, it's like most Starfleet vessels, in that it can do a varity of missions - but that doesn't mean it can do everything
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10. It can land - or will be able to once I build in the legs, and the hatches. This sort of feature seems to be standard in Starfleet ships of this size, and at this time (looking at cutaways for the Defiant and Nova classes).
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11. There are 15 exposed sensor pallets on the Wolf. There are 10 exposed sensor pallets on the Intrepid - however, the Intrepid has none on it's ventral surface (raising some interesting questions about that class). I will be adding some of the smaller "square" pallets that starships seem to have, but no more of the exposed pallets (god no, my poor brain couldn't take laying out any more greebles...)
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12. Originally the design called for the upper and lower "bays" - or "humps" as I now think of them - to be of the same size, and to be the home's of the ships navigational deflectors (plural) and torpedo launchers. Originally each bay held two deflectors (side by side) with twin torpedo launchers inbetween them. The upper bay contained a "rail gun" emplacement as well (although this was a request, and NOT a part of my original design, and in fact is not included on the paper designs at all).
    As it was never a main feature of any of the "USS Horizon" stories, bar one (that has been edited, LOL) the re-imaged version of the ship has a more traditional deflector arrangement in the lower bay, and a sensor type emplacment in the upper bay. The bays are also now different sizes, and shapes - the upper bay being smaller in every way
    No, they are not interchangable - or replacable. This is not a tiny version of the Nebula Class with different "pods" per mission. As I have said before: the engineer in me screams at such an idea, becasue of the internal problems it would cause.
    That and why would you want to do it anyways?
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13. Yes, I forgot about the secondary deflector
    I have a solution - and no, don't you dare tell them Starscream Lets see if anyone has noticed how I solved that one...
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14. The "sensor dish array" - or VLA as its being called these days, in the upper-bay is the right way round - so there!
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15. There will be a yacht/drop shuttle type craft built into the lower hull. When I get round to it, I will (obviously) let you all have a look at it.
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16. I know that many people are finding the Wolf dissapointing, because I am perhaps not exploring the full potential of the ideas of it - but as stated before, I am working to set perameters on the design, self imposed yes, but they exist non the less. Hopefully people will enjoy the ship for what it is, and what it's going to be in the end
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17. I have no idea if Cabal-Online or Guardian will want to make use of this mesh once it's done. I am not under obligation to them to give them first option on that - but as they are friends, and given that I support what they do it's the polite thing to do.
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18. I do not know if this will be publically released. The Ingram mesh, and Trek V Shuttle are going to be released to one and all, more then likely via this site.
    As I stated above, I am under no obligation to Cabal-Online or Guardian regarding the Wolf mesh and what happens to it - BUT becasue I originally designed it for them, I feel it is only polite to ask them what they think on that score first.
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19. I do listen to all the C&C (as such) that I get on this project - BUT, I am working to an established image for the ship, and there is only so much I am able and willing to change - otherwise the lines will be changed far too much. That's not to say that C&C isn't welcome - becasue it is, but I think some people are going to have realise that just because I've asked for it, does not mean that I am always going to act on it I do listen, and I do explore ideas. I can't say or do fairer then that.
    To be honest I think this applies to all WIPs on here...
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20. I don't care what it says on my profile, I am still a newbie at mesh building, and I do make mistakes, and will redo things over and over again. See the Ingram thread to find out more on that score
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21. I am dyslexic, so my spelling and grammer suck. I'm also a proffesional writer for a living as well... go figure...

I think that covers most of the basics...

More as and when. Possibly even an update on the mesh

[Hellsgate]

@ Hellsgate - Post Nemesis stories already exist about this ship, and one day I will put back onto the net the entire 5 years worth written about the USS Horizon and it's crew. They did some good stuff... some fun stuff as well... I may even go as far as to show the mesh of the vessel that destroyed the Horizon - something very original... I did promis them an animation of the final battle... an SAR gone wrong...


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The stories are ~ALWAYS~ 100% welcome at "Star Trek: New Worlds". I'd LOVE to have them. You can also upload them here (in the "Files" area) but unfortunately the documents have to stay under 5.1 megabytes each.

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[Starscream]

You know Jay, I'd really love to have typed an appropriate reply to your *ahem* rather large addition (and yes, I'm talking about your post. The THREAD post, dammit!) but I'm only using the one hand (no people, there's an innocent reason for that) and so, suffice it to say that:

1) Hear hear!
2) Nope, definitely not in the habit of giving email addresses out.
3) Wasn't going to say anything about the AuxDeflector...
4) Block these rude, selfish, and clearly ignorant individuals from emailing you! I'm sure it's bad enough having to see certain members posting their demands on the forum, but you certainly shouldn't have to put up with it elsewhere.


I've edited this post down. Considering how narked I am at the moment, I almost ended up saying some very flame-esque things, and frankly those people aren't worth the trouble. I will say that they should be very, very ashamed of themselves... but they probably won't look at this post anyway, as it doesn't contain any pictures.

[Jayru]

@ Hellsgate, I shall have a butchers at "New Worlds" - as for the Horizon stories, there is a website, somewhere out in cyber-space, for Cabal and Guardian the follow-ups to Horizon... But that's not to say that it wouldn't be a good idea to post them elsewhere... Thank you for the offer.


@ Starscream, LOL I know how my email addy got out... it was ME who did it! Should have remembered not to put it up on my profile
The sad thing is, I know the two people who have contacted me. Well, when I say I know them, I know of them... They are blocked, and strangly enough they are not members on here... otherwise I would have reported them by now
I'd been planning on doing some sort of FAQ a while back, becasue the same questions and points keep croping up... get's a bit annoying having to repeat myself... I appriciate that it can be a drag reading through tons of posts - but you can only answer the same question so many times before you end up taking the piss out of the next person to ask it. At least I haven't got sarcastic about it yet - no, wait... I think maybe I have, LOL. I can see the FAQ getting longer and longer as time goes by actually... how fun is that?
Strange thing is, I can see people being offended that I have taken that tack - but to be honest I think more modders should in all seriousness. It can be very time consuming having to answer the same questions over and over again, and sometimes a little disheartening as well. We are all doing this as a hobby, and whilst not every project is going to be popular, or have a lot of support - new modders shouldn't ever be made to feel like they are wasting there time.
People forget, this is only my second mesh project in Max. The Ingram, and TMP Shuttle being my first project, LOL. I have a passion for this particular project, because it is the first ship I designed, and the first proper mesh of it (not counting that crappy mesh I tried to make in Milkshape).

One handed?

Prob is, I know why - so it's hard to make inuendos about it.

Not hard in that way either...

[Aresius]

Oh yeah, one hand is always busy with other work. Make your mind up your own about what I mean...

well, it's really a complete info-sheet about what the class is.

[Jayru]

Originally Posted by Aresius

Oh yeah, one hand is always busy with other work. Make your mind up your own about what I mean...

All jokes aside though - he has a very good reason for only having one hand at the moment

well, it's really a complete info-sheet about what the class is.

I should hope so, took me long enough to type it up... spelling mistakes and all!


Maybe later, finally I will get my back side in gear and some updates done on the mesh... some panelling work next me thinks...

[Aresius]

I just couldn't resist.

Get well soon.