The Spacedock

[Mr. Wilde]

***Updated on Dec 26th 2009*** (http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-wips/1603-spacedock-6.html#post465587)

[Mr. Wilde]

Some hull panel tests (hard to see it in the references, so it's certainly way off) and a glimpse into the docking bay... :cool:

[freepoo]

I have Star trek 1-6 on DVD, if you want I can post you plenty of screencaps from the movies.

[Ozylot]

Grandious! :D

[Aresius]

I've found several things on net:

First off, a map of an Ournal:
http://www.tos.net/empires/ufp/spacedock.html

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/other/er-spacedock-st3.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/mechanics/er6b.jpg

two from the films, the rest's from two film based novela...

http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/pix/heiko/Starbase17_8.jpg
http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/pix/heiko/Starbase17_9.jpg
http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/pix/heiko/Starbase17_10.jpg

At these two, scroll down to the end...
http://www.starshiplexington.com/final_lexington_site/enterprise_image_page.asp
http://www.starshiplexington.com/final_lexington_site/lexington_image_page.asp

Actually not the best picutres, as they're only assumptions, but they just step in, where the movies stopped...

Hope it helps...

[Gothic_Goatboy]

man, this is the most awesome project i've seen in some time. Kudos!

I'll be watching very closely

[BolianAdmiral]

I agree, this will be one of the most awesome projects yet! I love Spacedock, and will follow this thread with great interest!

[Starship]

Great project ! I´ll be watching this closelly !

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks folks!

[DamienNZ]

Nice stuff. Good clean lines.

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks!

Slow progress (lack of time and reference). But at least some antennas will be to about 60-75% correctly recreated. :)

[Aresius]

it's looking damn great...

[IRML]

I'm glad this is here, images don't load for me on LWG any more

so any ideas when you'll finish it? :p :D

[Admiral Danev]

you may find these helpful...

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/starbase-79-blueprints.php

[Professor Moriarty]

kewl! Looks like there are some thingies on some of the antennas that look like tall, skinny capital-U's that you might want to add on.

[DarthMaya]

looking good!

[Mr. Wilde]

@ Dave: well, I guess your Enterprise will be finished way before... ;)

@ daniel_evans: I already got that link, but thanks a lot! :)

@ Scott: Not sure what you mean, could you mark those parts? :)

[Aresius]

@Daniel-evans: I was seeking this page for a month as I lost the link...
finally I have it again, thanks...

[Starship]

Fine job ! :)

[Prime_8]

nice

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks. :)

Time to bump this. A low rez test of the administrative level. It's not accurate at all (meaning that most of the towers look similar to those on the original, but as a whole it's completely different), but there's nothing I could do about it. Still needs some more antennas and of course more details. Rounded edges, pipes, nurnies, windows, stuff like that.

Think I'm going to redo that part once those Star Trek HD DVDs come out, or once the miracle happens and I meet the guy who knows the guy who is the nephew of the guy who took plenty of high quality photographs of the model when it was featured in an exhibition or so. ;)

[JoeRalat]

Looks sweet.

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks. That's how it looks when viewed from a greater distance.

[Jayru]

Looks great!

[lexington1709]

Me likey! Me likey!

[Andrew March]

That's just Wild Mr Wilde!

[Aresius]

looking good so far...
looking forward to see more...

[lexington1709]

Any updates?

[Dallidas]

its so smooth!

[BolianAdmiral]

This is so cool... I keep looking forward to updates! One note on the interior, though... all the refs I've seen show the botanical area to be RIDICULOUSLY massive... I mean the thing is taller than a mess of ships stacked upon one another, and just wastes way too much space... you may want to make yours more realistically small... maybe two or three deck's worth.

[JustinDixon]

Any updates?


OMG! a moderator necro posted!!!

[Spry]

OMG! a moderator necro posted!!!

OMG! A donor encouraged further necro-posting after the Necro Post of a Moderator!!!

[Andrew March]

OMG! A mod encouraged necro posting after the donor who necro posted in reply to the Mods necro posting :D

[Andrew March]

OMG! I've just Necro posted, twice.....:D

[limdaepl]

necro posting, double posting,... where's a mod when you need one :shiner:

[Spry]

OMG! A mod encouraged necro posting after the donor who necro posted in reply to the Mods necro posting :D

Touche! I was waiting for someone to do that. Im glad it was you! :lol:

OK, we've had our fun. Down witht he necro's guys. Mr Wilde will update this when he has something to show :)

[Nutsy]

Really nice stuff. . Iv been thinking about having a go at modeling her myself some point soon.. [once i got this tvpilot out of the way]

[chrono]

OK, we've had our fun. Down witht he necro's guys. Mr Wilde will update this when he has something to show :)

Yes. Now be good little responsible MOD's and lock the thread until it's makers wishs to start it up again. :rolleyes:

[EBOLII]

Yummy...................looks like the start of a most excellent detailed mesh :flippy:

[Martocticvs]

Damn, thought he was working on this again. Or was that a necro post? I can't tell any more, oh I'm so confused...

[JDR]

twas a necro post. You sick necrophiliacs you!

[EBOLII]

wow your right..........it was


oooops

[NanoGator]

Umm.. yeah... ready the tar and feathers. :rolleyes:

[Samurai]

*stands ready with feathers*

:shiner:

[Mr. Wilde]

sick necrophiliac insanity

[Melak]

That looks awesome!

[Martocticvs]

Quite sick... shall have to ban you for that! :p Looks great mate ;)

[Starship]

sick necrophiliac insanity

It´s a Ghost? :lol:

[Falin]

I'm confused here, what exactly is going on? is it necro week?

[BorgMan]

Who cares if it's Necro week? It's a high quality model, you even got my girlfriend so far to say *wow... that looks cool*. And let me tell you, that's something as I have a hard time hearing that myself from her ;)

[Pearse]

An extra special big wow from me as well. With the comparison pics from ST:VI I stared at them for a second thinking "why'd he put the same images side by side"? :) Really impressive accuracy. I hope eventually you have time to make the top and bottom selection of arrays and wotnot.

[Martocticvs]

I'm confused here, what exactly is going on? is it necro week?

I'd say it was an update :shiner:

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks everyone! Been investing a lot of time to get this as accurate as possible.

[Davide_sd]

great work on this!
please, want to see more and more!

[biotech]

Thats pretty damn incredible.

[Dac]

Wow, ive been tinkering with my own Spacedock for awhile, but never quite knew where to go from just modeling the basic shape.

You sir on the other hand have put me to shame. Very well done indeed. :D

[scifieric]

I'm very impressed! This is a fantastic model!

[BolianAdmiral]

Wicked-awesome Spacedock... the old space-shroom was always my favorite construct in Trek... nice to see another one being made!

[RedSquare]

:eek: Now THAT'S a Space Dock. :thumb::thumb::thumb:

[1000faces]

I love it!

[Phaser]

Way to resurrect a thread in style! Nice images!

[Galen]

The mother of all fungi... The best design for a starbase in all of trek. I love the model dude! Excellent work and attention to detail. Did you make an interior model too?

[NCC70637]

Dude that is amazing to say the least I cannot wait to see this completed.

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks everyone! :D

Here's a new go at the lower antennas. Unfortunately, I'm such a slow greebler, so this will take a while...

[<:K.I.S:>]

Humanahumanahumanhumana(yes its my made up word:D )...........Wow Wow Wow Just wow im practically speechless this i like the mot awesomeness model of this starbase i have ever seen. Fantastic work

[Ozylot]

Most excellent! Really gives a great sense of size! :thumb:

[Taranis]

MAGNIFICENT !! work ..

[Aresius]

Oh, wow.
That's amazing.

[Starship]

Magnificent!!!

[Melak]

Wow!
The Enterprise looks so tiny next to those "greebles" :D

[Lizzy777]

As I looked at those images, I had to take a second look at the first image. I was like, "Holy crap! There's a starship down there!"

[stonky]

Unfortunately, I'm such a slow greebler, so this will take a while...

Join the club. :lol:

Great work!

[BolianAdmiral]

Oh, man, this is so awesome! You're definitely making the best Spacedock ever. Great work.

Since it's the 1701-A shown in the image, I assume this is NOT the version of the dock that can accommodate a Galaxy-Class?

[OneBuckFilms]

This is amazong work. Very, very nice !!!!

:eek!:

[citizen]

That's real puurdy!

Fantastic work!

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks guys! :)


Since it's the 1701-A shown in the image, I assume this is NOT the version of the dock that can accommodate a Galaxy-Class?

Well, it could accommodate several Galaxy class ships, it's just that the original doors are not wide enough. That size issue is the result of a messed up VFX shot, so I just ignore that.

Andrew Probert made a concept sketch with the Enterprise docking at an exterior docking arm, which is what I'm planning to add.

[BolianAdmiral]

^

Great choice... I was always fond of the Probert concept.

[Taranis]

what are the number of polys now ??

[tobiasrichter]

Lovely model! These docks are always fun to do - you get fast results because it´s so repeatable, and you can go insane on the detail. This looks to be the best I´ve seen to far (including my own :) )

[Basill]

Magnificent. And I love seeing the Enterprise in scale to some of the other exterior features. I never realized just how monstrously huge that station is.

[Mr. Wilde]

Still there.

[Mr. Wilde]

And some more.

[Mr. Wilde]

And with a Vengeance.

[commandersozo]

that's still gorgous!!!

[ST-One]

It is indeed.

Oh, and I like the 'miniature'-shot :D

[Melak]

Whoa, all those little bays - amazing!
I think I remember why I gave up on mine now :D

[DaveWh]

STOP IT! STOP IT ALL OF YOU! AARRRGH!

You're making me feel vastly inferior! I am blown away by this. Just... wow.

[MOON'S EYE]

HOLY PANCAKES!!! ... I mean ....

There are no words.

[liam887]

Those little bays are incredible! You have any separate renders of those tiny low poly shuttles? The bay is a scene unto itself never mind just part of a much larger thing!

[aylaa12]

wow

[anystar]

wow

couldnt have put it better myself!

[Hellsgate]

SSSSSSSssssssmokin'!!!!

[Galen]

Amazing details dude! Is this done in LW?

[salsa]

*searches for jaw on the floor*

[J.Wilde]

Wow, he's - and it's - back!

Long time no see, the both of you!

[Aresius]

wow, nice progress.

[Starship]

Oh my..... Where is my jaw? It´s perfect!!!

[BolianAdmiral]

WOW... this is beyond awesome! I love the insane detail! I love the little hangar bay! :)

[Bmused55]

Holy smokes!

[somacruz145]

couldnt have put it better myself!

You could've posted your avatar in the response :D
The station is just gorgeous ! :thumb:

[Major Diarrhia]

Astounding!

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
Wow... just, wow.
I must say that this looks amazing, far far better that I could ever thought this station could be. The smaller bays are completely new to me, and they look just great:p.
Keep it up with the amazing job!:thumb:.

[CuttingEdge100]

When did it become designated as the Ournal Class?

[tobiasrichter]

most excellent - looking forward to the finished version!

[thepatagonian]

Those shuttlebays are amazing...

[Pearse]

I'll just have to repeat what everybody else has said, really jawdroppingly amazing! I'd love to one day see an animation involving the finished model, one that really took advantage of the amazing difference of size of the station, the starships and the shuttles and people.

[XRaiderV1.7]

nice spacedock, certainly one of the better models I've seen.

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks to everyone!


Amazing details dude! Is this done in LW?

Yep, all in LW, with a little help of the LWCAD and VertiBevel plugins.


Here are all the hangar bays.

[somacruz145]

Wow the hangars are breathtaking ! :thumb: I remember someone saying that CGI takes away "soul" that physical models had. Well, with this station I guess you're proving that it's just a matter of a dedicated worker :D Right now this is probably my favourite Trek thread around here.

[Aresius]

impressive I like that.

[Starship]

I don´t have words... It´s perfect!

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks!

[aylaa12]

nice work on the uptades

[Aresius]

Hm, I thought they'd be smaller....
This way the station seems somewhat a bit small.
Or is it the TMP version?

[Mr. Wilde]

Hm, I thought they'd be smaller....
This way the station seems somewhat a bit small.


LOL!


Test with textures and windows:

[harry33]

Thats amazing!Perfect mesh,textures and lights!What hardware do you use and how long tooks a render like this?I am curious because my computer always interrupted the renders if there are too much details.

[Flanker]

very nice lightshow. Also like the hangar details you posted a page back.

[Pearse]

I like that you added one of those bays with the big X-shaped light at the back, as seen on the smaller space station type.

[anystar]

LOL, small? It's like 5 kilometers tall.

only 5km? i would guess closer to 50.
this is from TNG episode 11001001. the Ent-D is nearly 2/3 of a kilometer long.
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz153/AnyStarModeler/PDVD_001.jpg

however, whatever the size is, it looks incredible!!!

[IRML]

TNG messed with the scale by comping over the 1701 with a ship twice the size, so the star trek 3 version is supposed to be like half the size of that one

but either way the model looks fine

[somacruz145]

I have no idea what size it is exactly but I know that the size of its awesomeness is way bigger than 5 kilometers :D The latest render is worthy of getting a calendar print or something.

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
Oh my god, I am speechless (good thing to have a keyboard :D ). The station looks amazing. And I agree with Somacruz145, this looks like it could go in a calendar.... and as wallpapers soon too.
Keep it up with the amazing job!:thumb:.

P.S.: The manual of the game Star Trek: Bridge Commander says it is almost 7 km in height. It may help, but if you got the proportions correctly, then you may figure out the size of your station as I am sure you may compare with ships of known sizes (like the Galaxy Class), then you can come up with a more accurate specs!

[Mr. Wilde]

Thanks!

Well maybe this will put things into perspective. ;) These are older test renders I did, but the sizes haven't changed. As you can see, my version is the movie version, so the Galaxy class will never fit through those doors.

[Melak]

Heh, nice texture on the "piers" :D

[homerpalooza67]

Thanks!

Well maybe this will put things into perspective. ;) These are older test renders I did, but the sizes haven't changed. As you can see, my version is the movie version, so the Galaxy class will never fit through those doors.
Time to make the Galaxy class a little smaller now *cough* lol

[BolianAdmiral]

Frakking awesome. :) Any chance of seeing a Nebula-Class inside of her? :D

[Aresius]

Hehe, that's lovely this idea. :)

[Pearse]

If you had time you could always try seeing what it looks like if one of the main doors is replaced with one large enough for the Galaxy class to fit through. By the looks of things it wouldn't need to be too much taller, just a lot wider.

[Deks]

Truth be told, SF could have easily expanded the doors over time so the starbases would include larger ships like the Galaxy class.

Other than that, the mesh, textures and lighting look great.
Nicely done.

[BolianAdmiral]

Yeah... in all practicality, all SF would have to do, is evac the hull sections directly around the doors, demolish/replace those, and install a larger set of space doors... there'd be no reason to build a whole new base just to make it larger.

[Adalla]

Absolutely phenomenal. The Star Trek starbase you are modeling was (besides the Enterprise and Excelsior) my favorite model of the whole show.

Really amazing work.

[hal]

If you had time you could always try seeing what it looks like if one of the main doors is replaced with one large enough for the Galaxy class to fit through. By the looks of things it wouldn't need to be too much taller, just a lot wider.

Don't want to be a star trek geek but there are starbases that do fit a galaxy class in. Starbase 74 is the same as spacedock except is almost three times the size. It's seen in the episode '11001001' as well as several other TNG episodes.

Now back to the model, excellent work as always Wilde!

[Starscream]

Except that IIRC, 74 was simply a re-use of existing footage - with no attempt at altering the detail in anyway as to indicate the starbase was a larger variant.

From where I'm standing, it makes more sense to have refitted the spacedoors, than design an entirely new, bigger starbase that looks. Exactly. The Same. As the old one but bigger...

[hal]

Not really, you can refit the space doors but then the doors would take up to much space to retract and the space inside would still be the same. There would be no room for several galaxy glass ships to be docked along with the other class ships. Starbase 74 is 2.3x larger than spacedock and I know people don't like the "scaled up design" idea much, but it can in fact work quite well so long as you stick to direct multiples. The decks themselves would only be made taller by 1 meter or so so there would not really be that much change in window size and the like. Remember almost 80 years has past and if you look at the Enterprise D to the original the interiors have become a lot more spacious in width and in height during that time. You can apply this same train of thought to the starbase 74.

TNG did the same with the Klingon Bird of Prey there is a small version (crew of 12) and a large version (crew of 300+), both exactly the same design though nothing to tell the audience of the change.

Besides its a tv show and if they can cut cost anywhere then they will. Doesn't really matter either way, Mr. Wilde has said which one he is doing and he knows how he's doing it.

[Freak]

This is one very cool Station. does it really matter if it TMP era or TNG, they both look the same, only Difference is the size. which is not really noticable unless you have a TMP Connie coming out of a TNG era station.

[cf3d]

Amazing... I'm liking this...

[Tallguy]

Can we make the sticky post on necro-posting flash or yell or tap people on the noggin or something? There seems to be a sudden rash of them. cf3d to borrow from James Kirk talking to young Mr. Evans, "That's considered wrong."

[gusdorf]

Would this help for size reference? Starbase is about half way down the page.
http://www.starshipdimensions.net/10mpp.htm

[lennier1]

Can we make the sticky post on necro-posting flash or yell or tap people on the noggin or something? There seems to be a sudden rash of them. cf3d to borrow from James Kirk talking to young Mr. Evans, "That's considered wrong."Shouldn't be that hard to write a plugin which removes posting rights from their account for at least 30 days. :devil:

[Gadzooks]

Outstanding on all aspects. One small question how did you do all those portholes all over the model. Is it a luminous texture? Or is it geometry?

[ocdtrekkie]

Can we make the sticky post on necro-posting flash or yell or tap people on the noggin or something? There seems to be a sudden rash of them. cf3d to borrow from James Kirk talking to young Mr. Evans, "That's considered wrong."

Technically, since the post before it was on the 29th of January, and he posted on the 26th of February, it wasn't really a necro post by definition. Although probably not in the best of taste. ;)

[cf3d]

I guess I need to apologize then because when I posted a reply to this thread, it was on the second page. I didn't even realize the previous post date. I was just replying to the look of the model.. Sorry to Necro... will pay a little more attention next time.

Still awesome spacedock though.