Battlestar Valkyrie

[Infinity238]

Well It had to happen eventually, some one would be ether brave enough or stupid enough to try and model the Valkyrie. The way I figure is she was a one shot deal, "hero" is more then likely the last time we will see the Valk, so chances are we won't get any orthos of it any time soon(since none of Pegasus were ever given). So basically we have to work with what we have, since the only good reference shots are these, I was woundering if anyone had some higher res versions or differnt angles of any of them. Even if you have some Ideas about what it looks like I'm more then open.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9854/gallery1242706vr3.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5504/gallery1244093um5.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9293/gallery1246490ef7.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2482/battlestarvalkyire1hk1vy0.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9576/gallery1249351rx1.jpg

And here is what I have layed out tonight, all of its just place holder. I'm more or less trying to figure out her layout and design before I worry about actually building her.

[Tovette]

I think it's safe to say the you could probably referrence the Pegasus drive section and be pretty damned close to the Valkyrie. From what I know of production pipelines, the modeling team wouldn't have had too much time to build her and wouldn't have put much effort in to her (as opposed to Galactica and Pegasus who would get WAY more screen time). I'd imagine they'd have taken pieces directly off the Pegasus mesh and slapped them onto the Valkyrie. In case I'm wrong this, correct me.

[CanisD]

To me the engines don't really look like Pegasus at all. The seem more angular, almost triangular in cross section, with sloping fronts. The shape reminds me somewhat of the nacelles on the Enterprise-E, only shorter. It looks like the forward pod supports are closer together than what is on the model.

[Tovette]

You could be right. One thing I don know, is that the Valkyrie is decidedly less detailed than the Galactica or Pegasus for obvious reasons. All the close ups of the ship have high contrast light to hide lack of details and the far shots the ship is suddenly more evenly lit. I do agree that the flight pods are pushed up on the hull of the ship but it's also possible that it just appears like that b/c the ship's keel is actually longer than the Peg or G.

[ven1ce]

Index of /files/bsg/valkyrie/ (http://www.alex.f2media.de/files/index.php?path=bsg%2Fvalkyrie/)

I hope I could help.

[bsg recon]

i agree that the ship Valkyrie may be longer than either the galactica or pegasus. I think that detailing the Valkyrie may reveal that she is a command ship or other type of specialized Battlestar

[Nevets]

Another Battlestar survived? Makes you wonder how many Battlestars survived the 'holocaust'. So far it appears to be one a season. :)

I'll have to wait and see this one.

[Talos]

Another Battlestar survived? Makes you wonder how many Battlestars survived the 'holocaust'. So far it appears to be one a season. :)

I'll have to wait and see this one.

Actually, the scenes Valkyrie is in are flashbacks from before the attack. It's from the episode "Hero".


Sweet job so far Infinity, I really like this design and I'm sure your's will be awesome.

[Infinity238]

Wow, thanks all. Some of those pics helped, I am also borrowing a copy of "Hero" from a friend so I should be able to get a better look at it.

Does it look to anyone else, that the back of the flight pods is a differnt shape than the front? more triangular?

[1of33]

Looking at the pic`s i would say that the back of the pods is a differnt shape from the front
The front of the pod is more of a box and the back of the pod is more of triangle

[Krases]

Looking at the pic`s i would say that the back of the pods is a differnt shape from the front
The front of the pod is more of a box and the back of the pod is more of triangle

yeah, the front of the pod is more....trapaziodal...but the back is a triangle.

I never say the mini series, this makes me want to go see it just for that ship lol.

[CanisD]

Its not in the mini series. The only Battlestar seen in the miniseries is the Galactica, and a distant shot of a destroyed Battlestar that looks to be of the same class as Galactica. There was an interesting rumor on Ain't it Cool News that the proposed Galactica DVD movie may cover the Cylon attack from the point of view of the Pegasus, so who knows, we may see the Valkyrie type again after all.

[vf-1msx]

Its not in the mini series. The only Battlestar seen in the miniseries is the Galactica, and a distant shot of a destroyed Battlestar that looks to be of the same class as Galactica. There was an interesting rumor on Ain't it Cool News that the proposed Galactica DVD movie may cover the Cylon attack from the point of view of the Pegasus, so who knows, we may see the Valkyrie type again after all.

for real ??

[CanisD]

Well, it was a rumor on AICN, so I'd take it with a grain of salt.
"It's going to be 'Pearl Harbor,' and we'll see the return of the Pegasus. The story takes place during the time after the Cylon attack as seen in the mini-series."
They also reported a rumor the same day, from someone who has a friend who has a family member who supposedly works on the show saying it had been cancelled, which Sci Fi quickly denied. So, until there is confirmation consider it a rumor only. AICN says the source is reliable though and it would be nice. I suppose they could rebuild the Pegasus sets if needed since they were taken down to make room for the Basestar interior.

[Infinity238]

If thats true I think it would be awsome, but AICN can have news posted by any one correct? I'm detailing the head of Valkyrie atm so I might have some wip images by tomorrow.

[Infinity238]

Heres how she's looking so far. I've just done some panneling work,theres no real greebling to speak of atm. Not to mention the aft halve of the ship has recieved little too no atention yet, I also have to build the weapons because Valkyrie dosn't use the standard kenetic guns.:rolleyes:

I'm actually starting to like the design of the ship now, In an ugly sort of way.:D

[Road Warrior]

Man I havent seen this ship just yet. I like. I like the size and layout and the non retracting flight pods. Cant wait to see her finished!

[Paveway]

Not that there is anything wrong with the model, but I think the design is just butt ugly.

[Infinity238]

Don't worry, I know for a fact that she is the ugly duckling of bsg.

[Hobbes]

Don't worry, I know for a fact that she is the ugly duckling of bsg.


The Mega-Maid of BSG ;)

Fine modelling and detailing :) You're doing amazing for not having such great reference material...

[Tovette]

^LOL

yeah i have started to notice that the battlestars look like people- a head, body, and flight pods as arms. interesting.

[Infinity238]

Working on some weapons, btw I dont know if anyone noticed after I watched the episode again I noticed the missle dosn't get fired from the barrel of the forward gun. There is a missle battery on the side of the turret.

"It's Mega-maid, shes gone from suck to blow!":lol:

[Road Warrior]

Awsome. People dont like the design .....well.....I guess everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions. I dont think she is ugly. She IS sort of stubby looking-agreed. GLAD to see a bsg ship without the ribs exposed. Galactica showed alot of her guts because her armour was destributed out to the fleet because she was being decomissioned. Rib detailing is neat(looks cool) but line ships are covered with armour. Or is every ship in the bsg universe on the verge of the scrapyard???:p Infinity238 you are doing a phenominal job. She looks great! She looks like an older battlestar indeed.

[Cyba_storm]

I like the fact this isn't the "PRETTIEST" battlestar in the fleet. It looks like it was designed to do a job. Kick ass on basestars and kill cylons. It isn't some namby pamby cruise liner. It is death on steroids.

You could make it twice as ugly (NOT THAT I THINK IT'S UGLY),and it would STILL look better than the Pegasus. That thing looked like an over stuffed pet food sausage. I hated it.

Nice work.

[vf-1msx]

nice Keep it up:thumb: :thumb:

[casivona]

Very nice!! I wish I could be making this kinda progress on my battlestar!

[Infinity238]

It helps when your out of school for 4 days of the week. (light workload this semester) The thing I'm looking forward to the most is giveing her a "bottom", since there is nothing to go by. I'm also useing some of punchface's greebles which are very nice I must say.

[Infinity238]

On that note, (I have school tomorrow) I will post my update for today. Basically been studing the 3 or 4 shots from "Hero" over and over, For the most part I've figured out the basic engine shape.

[StarSlayer]

Wow looks pretty good, despite the lack of references and the horrid nature of the ship. I really wanted to like this ship when it came on but wow, it really really dissapointed me. I think the Death Star wants its turbo lasers back :P


But i digress, thats a good looking model of it, your getting better with each one.

[Nadesico]

wow, gone for two weeks and i miss this? Keep up the good work, you've got a fine start on her, better references too. Best i could ever find were blurring DIVX captures of the episodes that someone posted online.

[Elowan]

Doesn't look 'ugly' to me. What are you going on about?

[StarSlayer]

i have a laundry list of reasons why this ship is homely as sin but its not my thread hijack into a debate

[quetzal]

I personally don't concider the "V" a battlestar at all, it looks more like a cruiser/heavy cruiser. From what I have seen on the episode "Heros", the overall look and feel of the ship is smaller,more compact than a battlestar. This is only my opinion and speculation in my part. What does everybody else think?:)

[Infinity238]

I think your right that she is smaller than the other battlestars that we've seen(not by too much mind you). But people tend to asume that a Battlestar is a class of ship, what if It's just the name the colonials apply to any space based warship?

But thanks for all the comments, although I keep getting the urge to fix the side panneling on the front.(just dosn't match the rest of the ship)

Catch you all later.

[backstept]

this is great :thumb:

[Dark Saber]

Very nice work. I think she look great for a cruiser type of battlestar.

[Major Diarrhia]

The modeling is good but the references are flawed or something.

I hope the examples are mostly self explanatory but just in case, the first one shows that the missile firing gun has two barrels, not one. The others show that the main hull is just as wide as the head, there's no taper. The small guns on the landing deck nacelles have wide separation and their guns are extremely close together, of which there are two each. Also, I noted the shape of the engine nacelle, it's quite a dynamic shape.

[Infinity238]

Wow, Thanks! Thats so helpful, I never noticed the second barrel. It looked to me like the missle fired out of a seperate launcher on the side but I guess Valks barrels can move independantly of each other(kind of cool). As for the engines I made them late last night, so sue me:rolleyes:.

But thanks again, I'll get her fixed up.

[Pyrocitor]

It looks great man

And I don't care what other people are saying, I think it looks cool. Very human looking. Unlike that other flying saucer thing with the engines attached to the back :D

[JustinDixon]

you can tell by how bloody old this thing looks that it was probably one of the first things to get nuked :p

[Infinity238]

Amen, I recall when Cain said 3 maybe 4 nukes destroyed 5 ships (two of them battlestars) I'm guessing those battlestars were of a similar class too Valkyrie. I scaled the head down so it lines up with neck, but I kept my neck shape because It gives it some interest rather than just a strait tubular body.

A little comparison (not Identical as I took a few design liberties with mine) But still pritty damn close.
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1711/valkyriefirecomparisionms7.jpg

Still not done with the bottom or the back mind you, I also still have to remodel the side flight pod guns.

[Dark Saber]

This looks great. Tough little star.

[Road Warrior]

Simply outstanding!

[Cyba_storm]

The more I see of this ship the more I like it.

[Dallidas]

looks very nice!

there is a little too much ambient light in your scene, but still looks great

[bsg recon]

Beautiful job keep up the good work

[Major Diarrhia]

The ship does seem to have some subtle neck flair. Also, I thought your render was a high definition shot of the same scene when I first saw it, so you're doing great.:D

Just for the hell of it, here's a line up.

[Pyrocitor]

Looks really good :thumb:

Keep up the great work

[Infinity238]

Just did a picture of her over in the 3d gallery, even though shes no quite done... I just had to.

[AldrikG]

[QUOTE=Major Diarrhia;139732]I thought your render was a high definition shot of the same scene when I first saw it, [QUOTE]

LOL So did I, until I read your post.

That's AWESOME!

[ven1ce]

Great work on the model. Your speed of progress is awsome :). The turrets are the only thing that kinda doesn't seem right to me. They looked more streamlined from what I remember from the episode (or imagine? anyways refrence situation is more than bad. Awsome what you made of it).

[Tovette]

i know it's not canon, but a baby on board sticker of some sort would rock... :shiner:

[Infinity238]

You mean a "we break for nobody." bumper sticker.:shiner:

[Tovette]

lol yeah

[Animaniac]

Looks very similar to the Original for me, keep it up!:thumb:

[Elffin]

Thats a fine looking model you got there. looking forward to see the end result!

[punchface]

...so I've been gone for a bit. Boy, I've missed a lot.

Thank you so very much, Infinity, for attempting the ugly duckling of BSG. You've flattered her as much as possible without telling myths about her.

Very nice. Seriously. Will you release the mesh?

punchface

[Infinity238]

Seems to be a lot of people inquireing about this model being released. Might happen, I'll have to think about it.

[Elffin]

Please do! :) Its amazing what you have done with the very few reference material that is currently available.

[bsg recon]

great work

[bsg recon]

great work

[vf-1msx]

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: you did a good job

[punchface]

...in fact, your orthos alone coupled with available reference shots from skiffy mean that I or anyone else could follow there's and your work and create their own Valkyrie class ships...it's just that if you were to release your mesh, it would mean that we could all be lazy and either use yours or refine it or bungle the job or whatever. :)

In any case, again, desirable work done well, peace to you.

punchface

[Infinity238]

What the Hell, why not. Once I get it the way I want it I'll release it. ;)

peace.

[Pyrocitor]

Awesome work man :thumb:

You've made amazingly fast progress with this
I know all about making models with very few reference images, great work.

[Ben of Oz]

Man, when I first saw this in "Hero," I thought it was the ugliest thing I had ever seen... But your mesh makes even this thing look beautiful. Nice work! :thumb:

[punchface]

...yeah, I guess so. Some of Infinity's vanity shots of her really do flatter her a lot.

She really does look nice in oblique angled shots from either dorsal or ventral angles. Bow and stern orthos look really nice too. Port/Starboard orthos are mediocre and Full on Dorsal/Ventral orthos is where Valkyrie really shows her lack of grace. Lords of Kobol save us but from top and bottom, this is one ugly baby.

punchface

[shipfisher]

Never seen so much produced from so little reference material. Well done!

[Infinity238]

Well I did get creative with alot of it, so its more of an interpritation then a reproduction. I find Valkyrie is so ugly its attractive in its own way, and yes she looks best at ether realy flat camera angles or the fish eyed ones.

[Major Diarrhia]

Like the Warthog.:)

Please, definitely release this mesh, not that I can actually use it. I know people have their reasons for not releasing stuff; they don't like seeing their meshes used in armature work, they're avoiding getting it stolen, or modified without their permission. But in general, I find it kind of rude not to release something to everyone that is of a quality that some or a lot of people would enjoy, when it costs the creator nothing to do so. Of course, I created something once with the explicit rules not to use it in certain ways, so, of course, it's up to you.

Would you be willing to make two versions, your version, which I like a lot, especially the ventral guns, and a canon mesh, that follows the ship as closely as possible and only shows what was shown in the show?

[Infinity238]

When Its released, feel free to modify it to your harts content. The only stipulation is If I like what you do to it you have to give me yours as well. :)

[Majestic]

Awesome job on this ship.

[cgjheru]

:thumb: YOu have done an incredible job recreating the Val! Any news on our next efforts. Have you considered getting together with other artisits to do a full Colonial fleet (with some interpretations of course)?

[Infinity238]

Check the 3d Gallery Thread, hopefully I can get my hands on AdrikG's Peggy and shoot out some nice renders with that too. But alot of the other members who have BSG projects are (well, doing alot higher poly work then I dare) and arn't quite finished yet, but hopefully we will do some large fleet renders in the future.

[1of33]

Sweet ship

[MickJo]

Thank you so much Infinity, she is a beaut. But i cant open it in max.

[Infinity238]

Do you have max8? If so have you updated the service pack?

[MickJo]

only have max 7.

[Infinity238]

Ahh, see I upgraded to max8 halfway through last year.

[Elowan]

Anyone able to get an uncorrupted file?

[Infinity238]

I just downloaded it, and tested it and it works fine for me.

[Safe@2nd]

Absolutely excellent work!! Can't believe how well this turned out when you consider how poor a quality the reference shots were. I have GOT to learn how to do 3D.

I'm trying to do the Tiger Claw from the Wing Commander movie with equally poor reference pics, but am having absolutely no luck. So please excuse my gushing about this.

[Elowan]

I managed to get the file - finally and converted it to LW. Nice job.

[peter_lead]

A very nice ship. Superb if I must say so:D :thumb:

[Infinity238]

Wernt there a couple of ortho pics posted over in the 2d gallery of the wing comander movie ships, because some one needs to make some of those ships.

Thanks for all the complements guys.

[Elffin]

Many thanks Infinity238 for releasing the Valkyrie model.
Hope to see it in the mod soon...

[Elowan]

The problem with my original DL was FireFox2/FlashGot. Finally got a good file by doing a Right click and 'save link as ...'

[Jenny]

Has anyone but myself spotted the thing which makes this ship truly unique within the BSG universe?

It's the first time a pagan pantheon other than the Greek has been mentioned or referenced on the show.

[JustinDixon]

Probably a mistake on the designer/writer's side not knowing mythology as much as he should tbph. But still nice thought! OH; and hello from Arizona!

[Charles Oines]

Has anyone but myself spotted the thing which makes this ship truly unique within the BSG universe?

It's the first time a pagan pantheon other than the Greek has been mentioned or referenced on the show.Not true - witness the Ragnar Anchorage in the miniseries.

[bsg recon]

The Valkyries, were warrior maidens who attended Odin, ruler of the gods. The Valkyries rode through the air in brilliant armor, directed battles, distributed death lots among the warriors, and conducted the souls of slain heroes to Valhalla, the great hall of Odin.

Nothing wrong with expanding the universe

[Beomoose]

Love that friggin ship! Missile Battlestar! Like the AEGIS cruisers from the USN.

Ron Moore's said a couple times in his podcast that he likes expanding the mythos. It's possible that the colonies' mythology includes all major polytheistic religions. Or that the different colonies have adapted different names for the same gods/heroes.

[BorgMan]

Woow Infinity, I have to agree with the rest that you did a great job in making a ship that's pretty detailed while having so little reference. We won't blame you for using a bit of imagination in the spots where you couldn't go off of the reference pics ;)

Great job, I think I'll donwload it to see if SketchUp can handle her, so that I can use her as scaling for my own Trident :)

[XRaiderV1.7]

good images of this ship were hard to come by until i found this thread, sweet ship!

[nuno]

Great looking ship. Great job Infinity, especially with almost no references and pics from this. Congratulattions

[Skeletor]

amazing man love it. its good to see it in the light becasue ships like Peggy and Valkyrie can't be seen very well in the series.:thumb:

you also mentioned that Pagasus does not have retractable flight pods. she infact does.

here are some pics to prove it. i was qite puzzled myself.

[Elffin]

I think I've seen these pics before - a number of people have dismissed them as fakes unfortunately

[Hunter-588]

I'm about 90% sure that image is a Photoshop from one of the first "Pegasus threads" I know I've seen that image before and wish i could remember which thread specifically or who posted it. But if anyone knows for sure I'd like to know as well.

[Skeletor]

what i want to know is why she would want to retract her pods. the ends of the pods arn't covered or the pods are retracted into the hull like Titan and Galactica.

i did take a closer look at the 2nd pic and it does look a bit iffy.

[Infinity238]

Trust me if you've seen a 3d pegasus its quite obvious that the pods dont fit like that. The are too long, the backs of the pods are very close to the engines when extended.

[Skeletor]

^Agreed^

i never realised how long they were untill i looked at this a second time.

[Hobbes]

amazing man love it. its good to see it in the light becasue ships like Peggy and Valkyrie can't be seen very well in the series.:thumb:

you also mentioned that Pagasus does not have retractable flight pods. she infact does.

here are some pics to prove it. i was qite puzzled myself.


Just some pretty photoshop work my friend. They were officially denounced a long time ago.

[asame]

Pegasus 101% didn't have retractable flight pods. The third joint is different design then the first two which make it impossible to move

[Kronos 1]

Pegasus 101% didn't have retractable flight pods. The third joint is different design then the first two which make it impossible to move

I did that chop a while back, someone thought they retracted, I just wanted to show them what they'd look like if they did. I also pointed out that the third pylon was completely different from the first and second. Heh, didn't think this pic would show up again. :runs:

[JustinDixon]

actually it looks pretty neat with the pods retracted!

[Skeletor]

yeah it does a bit.

[Duke]

[QUOTE=Kronos 1;160699]I did that chop a while back, someone thought they retracted, I just wanted to show them what they'd look like if they did. I also pointed out that the third pylon was completely different from the first and second. Heh, didn't think this pic would show up again. :runs:[/Qno offence man but i very much doubt you did that pic of the beast considering ur a sfm nugget and even if you did what a waste of time i spend alot of time touching up and altering photos and that could have been done more 'descreetly' there are alot of things that give it away i dont mean to be a (*hu tsi fu latsu*):

[today]

I did that chop a while back, someone thought they retracted, I just wanted to show them what they'd look like if they did. I also pointed out that the third pylon was completely different from the first and second. Heh, didn't think this pic would show up again. :runs:no offence man but i very much doubt you did that pic of the beast considering ur a sfm nugget and even if you did what a waste of time i spend alot of time touching up and altering photos and that could have been done more 'descreetly' there are alot of things that give it away i dont mean to be a (*hu tsi fu latsu*):
Uh, there was a server crash none too many months ago and everyone had to re-register, a lot of people are still "nuggets" post crash

[bsg recon]

Any Idea of the Dimensions of the Valkyrie?

[Kronos 1]

[quote=Kronos 1;160699]I did that chop a while back, someone thought they retracted, I just wanted to show them what they'd look like if they did. I also pointed out that the third pylon was completely different from the first and second. Heh, didn't think this pic would show up again. :runs:[/Qno offence man but i very much doubt you did that pic of the beast considering ur a sfm nugget and even if you did what a waste of time i spend alot of time touching up and altering photos and that could have been done more 'descreetly' there are alot of things that give it away i dont mean to be a (*hu tsi fu latsu*):

Lol, I did do it, was a quicky job just to see what the ship would look like, so there was no need to be descreet about the chop. I posted that pre-crash for someone(can't remember who for the life of me) that was doing the beast for the first time on the forum. He needed ref pics, so I uploaded some I had along with the chop.

Hmm, so being a nugget means I can't do photochops? /shrugs

[XRaiderV1.7]

lol, theyre just kidding.

even a complete novice can pull off some spectacular stuff.
remember, anything is possible.

[smallworld]

Beautiful job, really sweet. I love these massive big ships with lots of detail. I usually work on smaller ships, must take my courage in hand some day and try something like this. Well done!

[Elffin]

Just wondering what people's opinions are - did the Valkyrie have any 'launch tubes'?

[pauluncg]

Just wondering what people's opinions are - did the Valkyrie have any 'launch tubes'?

I would imagine that it at least had a few, especially to launch the stealth fighter. It wouldn't make any sense for it to launch from one of the launch bays like a Raptor. Fighters need more of a boost when launching, like on an aircraft carrier with their catapulting system. You don't see transports being catapulted from the decks. At least that's my logic...:p

[Morgenroete]

these are rough but here are some fleet talbes for the new series.

Battlestar Galactica 2003 (http://www.fluency.paintedtarget.org/bsg/futures/reimaged.html)

Regards

Morgenroete

[Infinity238]

The survival/revival of this thread amazes me. :)

[Elffin]

Classy work like your Valkyrie is never forgotten! :)

[Morgenroete]

A man with such epic balls to draw a ship that had less then 2 minutes screen time? Legendary.

Now if someone could just draw that big Ancient Warship from S03E05...

Regards

Posthumus

[dadeo911]

A man with such epic balls to draw a ship that had less then 2 minutes screen time? Legendary.

Now if someone could just draw that big Ancient Warship from S03E05...

Regards

Posthumus

Isn't S03E05 collaborators? What ancient Warship?

[gaius]

It seems that someone is confusing BSG and Stargate.

[Elowan]

A man with such epic balls to draw a ship that had less then 2 minutes screen time? Legendary.

Now if someone could just draw that big Ancient Warship from S03E05...

Regards

Posthumus

Try looking in Meshes under Stargate

[XRaiderV1.7]

yup, definitely had my head in the sand for too long(not by choice, machine did a nose dive)

[theCommander]

The survival/revival of this thread amazes me. :)

Well some of us are just getting in from the last mission. Hey, very nice job!!

Is there any way I could get hi-res orthos of your Valkyrie to put on my professional CGI Blueprints. See what I mean below...

http://www.sextondesign.net/BG/BG_Battlestar%20schematic1.jpg

If you want, you can email me at cscnc34@bellsouth.net to discuss this.

[Infinity238]

All the interest and responses recently have spured me to do an unwrap of my Valkyrie. The Girl needed a new paint job.:D

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7408/valkyrie5vu5.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4913/valkyrie6bw3.jpg

[Nadesico]

Um.... It looks like it was left out in the rain for 10 years while birds shat on it. I think the paint is a bit, noisy? is the term. the colours look great, but the whole mesh now looks far too busy.

[Infinity238]

Um.... It looks like it was left out in the rain for 10 years while birds shat on it. I think the paint is a bit, noisy? is the term. the colours look great, but the whole mesh now looks far too busy.
I kind of thought so too, most of my textures are pritty bleh so I wanted a little more punch. Guesse a little too much though.

[XRaiderV1.7]

i rather like it.

also, thats how a battlestar thats been in a few minor fights would probably look.
great job infinity.

now, how about some orthos for the loyal fans of this ship?

[Nadesico]

I kind of thought so too, most of my textures are pritty bleh so I wanted a little more punch. Guesse a little too much though.

Render it up in a proper scene and it may look perfect. :)

[JustinDixon]

Infinity, since you're on my team for the Galactica video if you'd like you can toss your unwraps my way and I can see if I cant throw together a primer base map for you so it doesnt look so busy.

[Infinity238]

It might also have been the lighting I used.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3451/valkyrie7fr9.jpg

[XRaiderV1.7]

*drools on keyboard*

nice
just
nice

[Dr-Timelord]

Is BS Valkyrie smaller than the BSG?

[Starship]

Nice!

[Elowan]

Um.... It looks like it was left out in the rain for 10 years while birds shat on it. I think the paint is a bit, noisy? is the term. the colours look great, but the whole mesh now looks far too busy.

I agree big time.

[JustinDixon]

I like to keep my promises. She's nice and beat up ;)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8683/tadadd5.jpg

[XRaiderV1.7]

nice, just nice.

[Elffin]

really nice work.

Like what you've done to it Justin dixon. :thumb:

[JustinDixon]

Thanks. Hope Infinity likes it ;)

[Nadesico]

Wow Justin, that looks great. Almost like the TV episode, except the sun is yellower (who gives a frak, the model looks perfect! )

[Infinity238]

Oh very nice, not quite sure how you did that but man that looks nice.

[Sastrei]

Oh hot damn that is nice.

-Stefan-

[Dr-Timelord]

I know i asked before, but nobody replied.

I know the Valkyrie is a much newer battlestar, but is it smaller or bigger than Galactica?

[JustinDixon]

Smaller. Quite a bit smaller actually.

[JDR]

About half as big in fact.

[vf-1msx]

where you get that info

[Beomoose]

where you get that info
technically her size is conjectural, but general consensus is that she's much smaller than Pegasus, and a bit smaller than Galactica. This is based mainly around her flight pod design, smaller CIC, and the number/arrangements of her engine pods. The guns could also be a tip, but since they seem to be missile turrets or some sort of hybrid, as opposed to the other Battlestars' dedicated KEWS, we can't really use them for sizing. All we know "officially" is that she's more modern and a more "prestigious" command than the much older Galactica in the modern Colonial Navy.

[JDR]

trust me, its half as long as Galactica. Its a very small battlestar.

[JustinDixon]

Yeah; JDR is correct. if you look at screencaps from the show; the KEW weapons that the ship has are much smaller; you can base them mainly from the missile pods on their sides versus the size of the missile themselves; then roughly estimate that compared to galacticas via the "cockpit" that the guns on Galactica have then subtract that versus the size of galactica estimated by ratio.

I think I just confused myself.

[jmsprovan]

smaller CIC

that isn't right, the valkyrie CIC set was just a repaint of the pegasus CIC

[Beomoose]

that isn't right, the valkyrie CIC set was just a repaint of the pegasus CIC
It was a repaint with the walls reconfigured to make it a bit smaller.

[vf-1msx]

Yeah; JDR is correct. if you look at screencaps from the show; the KEW weapons that the ship has are much smaller; you can base them mainly from the missile pods on their sides versus the size of the missile themselves; then roughly estimate that compared to galacticas via the "cockpit" that the guns on Galactica have then subtract that versus the size of galactica estimated by ratio.

I think I just confused myself.

NOT TO SOUND LIKE AN ASS BUT DONT THEY HAVE DIFF TYPES OF GUNS??

[Free-Lance]

I just watched HERO again and I can tell you I honestly think the Valkyrie was a STEALTH battlestar, her lines are just about right for it and it's deployment to the red line does indeed make for interesting thought for covert operations!
Any thoughts?:confused:

[Hobbes]

Personally I don't think they had that in mind. They certainly didn't need a 'stealth' battlestar for that episode, because they were trying to make it look like they were intentionally there to investigate the Taurons. The Valkyrie wanted to be visible as part of their cover.

[JDR]

I just watched HERO again and I can tell you I honestly think the Valkyrie was a STEALTH battlestar, her lines are just about right for it

Talk about reading too much into things... Valkyrie's lines are the way they are because the designer thought it looked cool. That's about as far as anyone's thought process into sci-fi ship design needs to go.

[punchface]

Home-girl's 3900 feet long if she's an inch...I wonder what sort of Dradis sig that would produce even if they did try to make her "stealth".

Baaahhh....Humbug.

[mattc]

Home-girl's 3900 feet long if she's an inch...I wonder what sort of Dradis sig that would produce even if they did try to make her "stealth".

Baaahhh....Humbug.

Nah. Not that big. :)

[Majestic]

Great work, haven't seen this ship on screen yet, but I love the design and your done some great work on recreating her.

[XRaiderV1.7]

infinity238, is this ship done yet?

you gonna release orthos of her soon?

[theCommander]

Hey, Tim

I tried to reach you via private message, but have not heard back, so I edited this for a post... I do professional CGI schematics and there is a decent chance that my collegue will us my schematics in a BG schematics posterbook before the last of the Sci-fi Channel show is aired. I have been trying to use what you have done earlier, which is not hi-res. Would you please consider emailing me hi-res 5-view renders of your Valkyrie (about 1000 wide per view, separate, and on a white background) once the present texturing is done? I want to also show a perspective shot (on white and large as well) so send one of those too. Be advised, I am crediting you on the schematic.

I have a lot of ortho-schems already to look at if you aren't sure of my credibility...
Gallery (http://www.sextondesign.net/BG/html/gallery.html)

Send any responses to cscnc34@bellsouth.net

Let me know

[JDR]

Regarding your TNS Galactica schematic: Starboard's the other side of the ship.

[Infinity238]

Not what I would call finished, but I beleive this is some of what you are looking for Xraider.
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9455/valkyrie5yn2.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2506/valkyrie6zl8.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5615/valkyrie7ks8.jpg

TheComander: When abouts do you need them by, I did want to do a little more work on the Valk.

[XRaiderV1.7]

oh yeah, I definitely cant wait for this ship to be finished, I hope to make a wall poster with this ship, if you have no objections i mean.

preferably an orthographic poster(yeah, i know thats odd).

[theCommander]

I'd be happy to do up a professional schematic that everyone can share if I can use larger hi-res views on a white background. This is a beautiful ship, Infinty238

[theCommander]

TheComander: When abouts do you need them by, I did want to do a little more work on the Valk.

Wonderful... It would be great to get this one posted... it's one that is pretty popular and there isn't anyone out there right now who is doing her. But if there is more to be done on her, I understand.

Of note... from the port view, thanks JDR, there isn't enough contrast between the hull body and the landing pod, so the pod is nearly invisible. Strengthen the lighting to make the side view more distinguishable in that regard. Just my 23 yrs. experience talking, but she really is an impressive ship rep. Infinity238!

[XRaiderV1.7]

im willing to wait till hes happy with her to post em, cause it'll be well worth the wait, lol

[Infinity238]

Thanks to some better intel ;) I have a better idea as to what valkyrie looks like. The main differnce is Valkyrie actually has only four engines insted of six. I also got her flight pods down properly this time around. So I guess its rebuild time...
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/8629/valkyriejs9.jpg

[XRaiderV1.7]

does it have to have that semi wraparound the engine thingy(forget what thats called)?

[1of33]

That looks nice

[punchface]

Is clearly absent in 3.08 Hero.

Are you sure, Infinity? I know where you got your intel from BUT...that "thing" might not be part of the Battlestar.

[XRaiderV1.7]

punchface, mind pm'ing me and clueing me in, so that I may better understand the conversation?.

also, I recall that episode, there's no wraparound thingy on those engines.
I'm loading a screen shot I was lucky enough to find, that should lend credence to the argument at hand.

[jmsprovan]

if you are referring to Razor (which is now leaked) there is a new battlestar design in scorpion shipyards, you may be getting that design mixed in with valkyrie.

[Infinity238]

There were two Valkyries presant, the question is was it part of the drydock or the ships. It comes off easy enough, but it looks like this is a part of the ships design. Its quite possible that this was a refit or upgrade on the Valkyrie class at the time of the attack.

[XRaiderV1.7]

anyone have a screen capture of the scene in question?

[vf-1msx]

There were two Valkyries presant, the question is was it part of the drydock or the ships. It comes off easy enough, but it looks like this is a part of the ships design. Its quite possible that this was a refit or upgrade on the Valkyrie class at the time of the attack.

Come on do you think they would go that far with FX?

[punchface]

...that Infinity is drawing his info from is a very hi-rez screenie from Razor. The shot depicts Valkyries docked at the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards from an oblique angle that is closer to bow-on than it is to midships however, it's pretty darn undeniable from the pic that those dorsal "thingies" are somehow mounted on both engine blocks of both ships in the same place and in the same manner.

In order to make these thingies fit the story when XRaider's pic (I have the same screen cap) most clearly does not feature the thingie is to explain it as a refit as Infinity considering. A weaker explanation would be to postulate that the thingie is actually part of a different maintenance structure or vehicle that has been clamped to both vessels for external drive maintenance and that both Valkyries are in dock at the same time for similiar or the same reasons.

The refit explanation is simpler and I think, stronger.

I don't like the thingie...I think it's an ugly addition to an already questionable ship design. It's too bad....

punchface

[punchface]

Come on do you think they would go that far with FX?

The alternative is to be forced to consider that the fx dept. at Sci-Fi is so out of the continuity loop that they'd just start changing Galactica post-production assets without considering the story at all. That's too lame for my tastes.

[XRaiderV1.7]

The alternative is to be forced to consider that the fx dept. at Sci-Fi is so out of the continuity loop that they'd just start changing Galactica post-production assets without considering the story at all. That's too lame for my tastes.

agreed

[spudmonkey]

There is no cover over the engines. It's a part of the dock in Razor

[punchface]

Have you seen the "thingies"?

They look like they are mounted on the ships.

How do you know that they are part of the dock facilities?

Do you have any proof or links or other data to share with us?

punchface

[Dac]

The alternative is to be forced to consider that the fx dept. at Sci-Fi is so out of the continuity loop that they'd just start changing Galactica post-production assets without considering the story at all. That's too lame for my tastes.


But thats the case. After seeing the Pegasus in Razor, I noticed somewhat major details changing shot after shot.

Gonna drive me nuts when finishing off my version.... :mad:

[spudmonkey]

Nothing I can share

[XRaiderV1.7]

how about a text based description of this 'proof'?

[mattc]

how about a text based description of this 'proof'?

Why? Has Spud suddenly become an untrustwortjy source?

The speculation is fun though.

[XRaiderV1.7]

he obviously knows something, I'm just trying to ask him to reveal it a way that doesnt reveal it, if you will.

as a matter of fact, I do trust his info

[JDR]

Its still miles from being correct though. I can tell that simply from looking at "Hero"

[mattc]

he obviously knows something, I'm just trying to ask him to reveal it a way that doesnt reveal it, if you will.

as a matter of fact, I do trust his info

I think you're on a road to nowhere city, there. What spud may or may not have seen is probably for his eyes alone. It's very difficult to comment on these sorts of things without violating any NDA's, agreements and so forth.

Anyway, back to the original thread, still looks wrong to me. Shape, pods, engines, everything. I dunno, it may be just me.

M.

[XRaiderV1.7]

was worth a shot, oh well.

i think the texture maps he was using were, well, a bit off.
could always be the lighting, shadows, or, of course, me.

anyhow, keep up the great work infinity.

[Endeavour]

Hmm...I'll have to go back and look at the screenies again. I never noticed any Valks.

[DarthMcWord]

If there are hi-res screenshots from Razor, why doesn't someone post post a link to them so we can see ourselves (for the ones who have not seen Razor). Also, the original looks better to me, the second one not so much. But I have not seen Razor...

[XRaiderV1.7]

simple, nondisclosure agreements, this, in exchange for being able to screen or even view a still image.

and, before you ask, no, I do not have any screenshots or video segments, nor would I say even if I did.

[DarthMcWord]

Where did you find those?

[Infinity238]

Carefull posting content like that around here we dont want to get scifi meshes in trouble, considering SciFi was good enough to give them a screener.

[Nadesico]

The ship in Razor is not the Valkyrie or Valkyrie type, it's been modified to a 4th type, Valkyrie clearly did not have the rollbar on it's engines in "hero"

[Dr-Timelord]

I remember seeing a battlestar with its wings missing too,

[Infinity238]

Thats what makes me think its a refit. I realy like the roll bar, gives a neat design flair to what was a pritty dull hull design.
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1558/valkyrieri9.jpg

[Lonewriter]

I love your Valkrie and I can't wait to see Razor. I haven't ordered the DVD yet but I plan to soon.

[Endeavour]

Still can't make the Valks out in the wide shots of the shipyard, but the pics aren't really good res.

[XRaiderV1.7]

please, put those two engines back in, she just doesnt quite look right without them.

also, with regards to posting pics of shows before they air, may I suggest the rather liberal use of a tool known as PM?

this way, no one gets caught breaking what is evidently a very big leap of faith on scifi channel's part.

[Infinity238]

Sorry Xraider, but inside intell I've recieved and Razor shows Valkyrie has only 4 engine pods.

and could we take those pictures down, I would like to keep this topic clean for the time being.

[Charles Oines]

Go with the rollbar. It gives the ship character :)

[Nadesico]

why not just make the bar free engine pod and the bar-included engine pod. then you can just swap out the rear section to suit your fancy.

[Infinity238]

Or just hide the roll bar, forgive the lack of an update. I am in the process of trying to wrangle some super secret intell from some one. :wink::wink:

[Infinity238]

Well, here's where I stand after enough forensic investigation to make CSI blush.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9681/valkyrie2sl3.jpg

[spudmonkey]

You were closer to the Valkyrie design in your previous attempt at modeling it than this one, which of course assumes that you are still trying to do a Valkyrie. Perhaps this is a more interesting and creative path to take until better references are available for the Valkyrie though :)

[Infinity238]

Swing and a miss then eh... lol oh well I really like the way this one is going, out of interest what areas did I have more accurately before? And is there anything on this one that is right that wasnt on my last atempt

[mattc]

Err, nope. :)

[Nadesico]

i think you should still stick with the correct 8 engine type rear. Make the rolloverbar version too and just have them interchangable, then you get to pick which you use in shots, it saves all the fighting :)

[Infinity238]

lol, the only thing people want back on the model is the one thing the ship actually dosnt have... 6 engines :confused:. Just so we all know, Officially Valkyrie only has four engines. I will however leave my origional model with the six engines just because it seems to be the fan favorite as well as make this one both rollbar on and off.:thumb:

[XRaiderV1.7]

ok, now I'm happy, lol.

[Elowan]

Swing and a miss then eh... lol oh well I really like the way this one is going, out of interest what areas did I have more accurately before? And is there anything on this one that is right that wasnt on my last atempt

Looks great to me. Just take heed of this advice: 'Illegitimati non carborundum est'.

Bad Latin but good advice just the same.

[spudmonkey]

Looks great to me. Just take heed of this advice: 'Illegitimati non carborundum est'.

Bad Latin but good advice just the same.

That would make Matt and I the bastards then? Are you sure you want to go there? :p ;)

[spudmonkey]

Swing and a miss then eh... lol oh well I really like the way this one is going, out of interest what areas did I have more accurately before? And is there anything on this one that is right that wasnt on my last atempt

Most of the problems are around the proportions of the individual parts and the shapes of some of the parts. Each is reasonable in its own right, but there are a number of places that just aren't right. Your first go was good when you consider the lack of reference material, but the second go is a lot further away - have another look at the top view from the earliest captured images in the thread and you will see some big differences

[Infinity238]

I actually have a new one, highest res I could find it at.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9994/valkyrienew02hr3.jpg

[Nadesico]

lol, the only thing people want back on the model is the one thing the ship actually dosnt have... 6 engines :confused:. Just so we all know, Officially Valkyrie only has four engines. I will however leave my origional model with the six engines just because it seems to be the fan favorite as well as make this one both rollbar on and off.:thumb:

If you really wanna get nitty and gritty about it, technically the Valkyrie is the ONLY ship that had 6 engines on it and no roll back, the ones from Razor are a different class alltogether. There's plenty of shots from "Hero" that show the valkyries engine module and none of them show the roll bar or only 4. :)

[Infinity238]

There's plenty of shots from "Hero" that show the valkyries engine module and none of them show the roll bar or only 4.
Which is why my original model still has no roll bar and six engines. If it would make everyone feel better we can refer to this one from razor as the Valkyrie MKII class.

[spudmonkey]

If you really wanna get nitty and gritty about it, technically the Valkyrie is the ONLY ship that had 6 engines on it and no roll back, the ones from Razor are a different class alltogether. There's plenty of shots from "Hero" that show the valkyries engine module and none of them show the roll bar or only 4. :)

The Valkyrie as seen in Hero has four engines. Trust me on this one. Four, not six.

[XRaiderV1.7]

well, then, spudmonkey, If thats the case, then how come I make out 6 exhausts in that pic infinity posted?

if the Valkyrie does indeed have 4, and not 6 engines, as you suggest, then I submit, that the majority of those of us claiming to see 6 engines are in fact in need of an eye exam, and possible counseling with regards to hallucinations.

I too have a rather extensive collection of shots from that episode, I will see what I can dig up thats post worthy.

[mattc]

well, then, spudmonkey, If thats the case, then how come I make out 6 exhausts in that pic infinity posted?


Then you're seeing things.

M.

[Nayslayer]

even i can tell there are only 4 engines. look at the side engines and then look at the top. notice anything that can look misleading?

[XRaiderV1.7]

the fact that theres tubular sections extending out past the areas with the 'drive glow, and the other fact that these tubes are also in line with the visibly lit engines?

[DarthMcWord]

^The extention out might be, for all we know, just part of the engine design. While I like the prospect of 6 engines, we can only confirm 4.

[Nadesico]

I see 6 nacelles on Infinity's last screenshot post, i dont know people are claiming the other two are missing. This isn't a straight on top shot, you can clearly see two nacelles mirroring the top two.

Unless spudmonkey's source has let him see the original studio mesh. :)

[Infinity238]

Unless spudmonkey's source has let him see the original studio mesh.
From what I understand thats classified... :)

[Choo1701]

the fact that theres tubular sections extending out past the areas with the 'drive glow, and the other fact that these tubes are also in line with the visibly lit engines?

repeat after me Radier, there are five lights- sorry i mean four engines! :D :p

BTW: is it me, or does the ship look like a flat fish? (http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/881/20107338.JPG) Sort of buldge out in the middle and then become thin ate the end? ... ... must be me then :shiner:

Great work so far Infinity :thumb:

[mattc]

That would make Matt and I the bastards then? Are you sure you want to go there? :p ;)

He can if he likes....with the consequences there of. ;)

[XRaiderV1.7]

im sorry, until someone can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, Im gonna have to trust my eyes and instincts, call me stubborne, call me a brainless buffoon if it makes you feel better.

I swear, there's 6 engines, not 5 not 2 not 4, S I X.

you want to prove me completely wrong, then pony up some proof somehow.
use pm if you worried about NDA's, or email works.

just prove me wrong, with actual can stare it down till im blind proof.

there, I feel better, now that I've gotten that 'little' rant done with.

moving on.........

[JDR]

There aren't 6 engines, that's for sure.

[mattc]

Whatever. :)

[XRaiderV1.7]

we very well could debate this till the cows come home, shall we wait till razor actually comes out before we dissect this to hell and back???

[AndyM]

I can only see 4, and I think you need to lose the anti-roll bar.

[Infinity238]

Rollbar on, Rollbar off. How about you can decide when you download it. As for me I'm diggin the rollbar.:D

I've fixed alot of the proportion issues, changed the size/shape of the flight pods, adjusted the head, fixed up the engines, altered the body shape slightly, so It should match up better now.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3633/valkyrie4qa6.jpg

[Dr-Timelord]

I like it with out the rollarblade :D personal pref no

[JDR]

There's no debate. It does not have 6 engines. FACT. I wish we could put money on this because I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

[spudmonkey]

im sorry, until someone can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, Im gonna have to trust my eyes and instincts, call me stubborne, call me a brainless buffoon if it makes you feel better.

I swear, there's 6 engines, not 5 not 2 not 4, S I X.


I'll leave the insults to other people. Perhaps if you highlight on the image where the 6 engines are then I can point out why you are wrong. Alternatively I could just say that this


^The extention out might be, for all we know, just part of the engine design. While I like the prospect of 6 engines, we can only confirm 4.

is a damned good guess, but that assumes that those are the parts that are making you see the phantom engines...

Until I get permission, which I am actively seeking, I cannot post proof of what I say. Sorry, but that's what an NDA is and any images or material I may or may not have is currently publically unavailable

[spudmonkey]

I can only see 4, and I think you need to lose the anti-roll bar.

Andy, if he is now working on the variant seen in Razor then the rollbar should stay, and with the effort that has gone into these "two" I would say both versions should be worked on, especially as Infinity seems to like it :D

[AndyM]

Andy, if he is now working on the variant seen in Razor then the rollbar should stay, and with the effort that has gone into these "two" I would say both versions should be worked on, especially as Infinity seems to like it :D

Sure, It was meant purely as a personal preference.

[Elowan]

That would make Matt and I the bastards then? Are you sure you want to go there? :p ;)

:devil:

[backstept]

I say, chaps! This debate is just about as useless as whether or not Galactica had its armor stripped. :lol:

let's give it a rest, and let Infinity build it how he likes :D

[Sanderlee]

Personally, I see 32 engines ...
(checks medicine bottle)
Oooh, 2 pills every 8 hours, not 8 pills every 2 hours.
That explains a lot!!
:p

Seriously, I prefer it with the rollbar, canon, non-canon or whatever.

Why?

Because without the rollbar the damn thing looks entirely too much like MegaMaid!

Excellent work on the Valk, tho! Keep it up, and in the end, she's yer shippie. Slap two-hundred and seventeen engines on her if you want!

Sanderlee.

[DarthMcWord]

^lol. Very funny.
Nice work on the new version Infinity, I like it. And the rollbar is growing on me also. Keep it up.
Yay I was quoted!

[B.J.]

And now for something completely different.....
Have you made any guesses as to how long this is compared to the Galactica? 1/2? 2/3? I haven't seen the Razor pics so I don't know if that clears it up or not.

[spudmonkey]

I say, chaps! This debate is just about as useless as whether or not Galactica had its armor stripped. :lol:

let's give it a rest, and let Infinity build it how he likes :D

It's a slightly different debate to that particular argument, but that's the point I was trying to make too, albeit not quite so succinctly :p

[Infinity238]

And now for something completely different.....
Have you made any guesses as to how long this is compared to the Galactica? 1/2? 2/3? I haven't seen the Razor pics so I don't know if that clears it up or not.
Razor does give us some insight though not much.

[SnowCrash]

if the viper launch tubes are the same size then we already know the size comparison between galactica and valkyrie. Of course, having decent enough refs to do the calculations is a different matter.....

[XRaiderV1.7]

I'll leave the insults to other people. Perhaps if you highlight on the image where the 6 engines are then I can point out why you are wrong. Alternatively I could just say that this



is a damned good guess, but that assumes that those are the parts that are making you see the phantom engines...

Until I get permission, which I am actively seeking, I cannot post proof of what I say. Sorry, but that's what an NDA is and any images or material I may or may not have is currently publically unavailable

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/ace1701e/JPEGS/valkyrienew02hr3.png

spudmonkey, theres the highlighted sections.

unless I need an eye exam, and pending definitive proof, I stand by my conclusion.

infinity, someone sent me a better res image of the one you sent, still too inconclusive to call one way or the other.

[SnowCrash]

so you've highlighted 2 engines - are you assuming that there are pairs on the side? (because if you are its an incorrect assumption.......)

EDIT: Sorry - that came across a little bit harsh. Given the design of other ships featured in the series it's easy to assume that there would be pairs port & starboard and then the extra 2 on the top as you've highlighted.

[spudmonkey]

As Snow says, the bits at the end that looks like engines on the underside are actually exhaust deflection flaps which are attached to the rear of the top engines. I've circled the bits in green to show you the bits I mean:

http://www.lowpoly.co.uk/images/sfm/image1.jpg

[jmsprovan]

There is not engines on the underside:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g265/jmsprovan/No6Engines.png

[XRaiderV1.7]

my conclusion is based on the engine block being symmetrical, which, I swear, that block is symmetrical.

If i can get hold of a trusted source I know, maybe I'll be able to wrangle up something that either proves or disproves my claim.

[spudmonkey]

my conclusion is based on the engine block being symmetrical, which, I swear, that block is symmetrical.

It's not top-to-bottom symmetrical, so your assumption is incorrect. My conclusion is based on having seen that area up close and personal, but of course, you don't have to believe what I'm saying