C.O.N.F.E.D. Fleet Uniforms

[UnWantedSoldier]

Well since i just finished these up I might as well post them here to. Here are the First of the C.O.N.F.E.D. Fleet uniform Updates I’m working on (the old ones can be found here Star Trek: Sedition - C.O.N.F.E.D. Fleet Uniforms and Ranks (http://www.startreksedition.com/Rank.html)). When I started my efforts to resurrect sedition I redid all the rank insignia and slightly changed the shoulder boards which required and reworking of the uniform images. The old ones were non vector based images, and of low resolution. Earlier today I finally found a vector image program I can figure out (Inkscape) and I started working on these.

The C.O.N.F.E.D. uniform is very similar to the Starfleet uniform of the time for logistical reasons, the C.O.N.F.E.D. hasn’t the resources to completely re-clothe their entire staff of officers and enlisted personnel so the changes are few but distinctive enough to set them apart. The uniforms are died dark charcoal color the shoulder sash is removed and replaced by a set of shoulder boards and all Starfleet insignia is removed and replaced by the appropriate starship insignia, in the case of these uniforms the insignia of the C.S.S. Thor.

I’ve also included a set of close up images of my rank insignia as I decided not to include them in the uniforms themselves as they would be barely recognizable.

I’ll be creating the Enlisted uniforms next followed by the female variants, check my 2d wip for more updates (listed in my sig)

Hope you all enjoy, as usual C&C very welcome and appreciated

[SDGreywolf]

Joe,

Sweet work on the uni's and rank.

[UnWantedSoldier]

I just finished the Enlisted Uniforms. Like with the officers these are for the Crew of the Thor other starships would have their insignia and starship patch displayed.

[Freak]

these look really good. I like your ranks. very cool and different

[UnWantedSoldier]

Thx Freak, speaking of the enlisted rank here is a chart showing all of them. These images are in Command Colors.

[Dark Saber]

Nicely done. Uniforms and Insignas. Trust me coming up with this stuff is not easy. Good work.

[Freak]

you can a link with today milatry in them. great work.

[UnWantedSoldier]

I made a slight change to the Officer Uniforms I decided to add the Ships Patch to the Left Shoulder. I've uploaded the new file in the first post.

[Capt. Eric Gardner]

Awesome!

[UnWantedSoldier]

Thx Guys for all the comments here are the last of the C.O.N.F.E.D. Uniforms (except for a few specialty ones) The Female Uniforms, which come with either trousers or a skirt and knee high boots.

[Freak]

Love the female uniforms but I am not to sure about the trousers. I guess I like my women in skirts or dress.

[UnWantedSoldier]

Love the female uniforms but I am not to sure about the trousers. I guess I like my women in skirts or dress.

Agreed :devil: but aside from Uhura just about every female in ST 2-6 (I cant think of any actually other than her) wore trousers.

[Freak]

Even in TNG except Deania and she dose not count as she was out of uniform.

[UnWantedSoldier]

Even in TNG except Deania and she dose not count as she was out of uniform.

Ugh... lets not speak of the TNG first season with the "Unisex" Skirts *shudders*

[Aresius]

I'd like to see a simple comparision chart with all the officer's ranks, just as you did with hte Warrant's ranks...
just from one and the same ship or without any shipmarks

[Freak]

Ugh... lets not speak of the TNG first season with the "Unisex" Skirts *shudders*
"Unisex" skirts? Sorry I must have had temper blindness, when they came on! :lol: man they where bad. Who ever came up with that idea should bow there head in shame. If it was Gene at least he corrected his mistake!

[UnWantedSoldier]

I'd like to see a simple comparision chart with all the officer's ranks, just as you did with hte Warrant's ranks...
just from one and the same ship or without any shipmarks

If you go here http://www.startreksedition.com/Rank.html it has all the rank insignia listed (with the exception of the Flag officers) the insignia are the current design, I’ll be updating the page soon to include the new Uniforms and when I create them the Flag officer uniforms and ranks. but if you want a larger version i can whip something up,


"Unisex" skirts? Sorry I must have had temper blindness, when they came on! :lol: man they where bad. Who ever came up with that idea should bow there head in shame. If it was Gene at least he corrected his mistake!

I think they should have taken him out back and shot him (that is unless it was Gene's idea, if so I can forgive him)

[Aresius]

If you go here http://www.startreksedition.com/Rank.html it has all the rank insignia listed (with the exception of the Flag officers) the insignia are the current design, I’ll be updating the page soon to include the new Uniforms and when I create them the Flag officer uniforms and ranks. but if you want a larger version i can whip something up,

Exactely the larger one's I was looking for...

[middyseafort]

Great work. Just a suggestion on military parlance in your charts. In the officer rank chart, you identify the medical officer's rank as being a "Line Officer." Medical staff in the military are "Staff Officers" not "Line Officers."

A "Line Officer" is in the direct chain of command, or in line to command the ship/division/platoon should anything happen to those above him/her. A "Staff Officer" provides support the the line officers-- i.e. medical, JAG, chaplins, etc.

More 411 at Line officer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_officer).

[primateavenger]

Hi been watching for a few month and gotta say totally caught my imagination, love the uniforms...looking forward to more of your work and seeing the site develop :thumb:

[UnWantedSoldier]

Great work. Just a suggestion on military parlance in your charts. In the officer rank chart, you identify the medical officer's rank as being a "Line Officer." Medical staff in the military are "Staff Officers" not "Line Officers."

A "Line Officer" is in the direct chain of command, or in line to command the ship/division/platoon should anything happen to those above him/her. A "Staff Officer" provides support the the line officers-- i.e. medical, JAG, chaplins, etc.

More 411 at Line officer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_officer).

Admittedly my use of the word Line officer for all medical personnel isn't correct in the traditional military sense however it is correct in Star Trek, I point to the Example of Commander Beverly Crusher and Commander Deanna Troi both medical officers who are by the definition of the word (A line officer is a military officer who is trained to command a warship, ground combat unit, or combat aviation unit) are Line Officers (TNG: "Thine Own Self"). But bottom line is that while Staff Officers exist in Starfleet they do not in the C.O.N.F.E.D. Ill give you a basic break down in the system that determines what type of commission a Person gets when they join the C.O.N.F.E.D.

Flag Officer
There are only 11 positions in the C.O.N.F.E.D. for what would be considered Flag level officers. The Highest flag ratings, Levels 10, and 9, are awarded to the elected members of the C.O.N.F.E.D. council, this accounts for 9 of the 11 positions. Level 8 is issued to the Fleet Liaison Officer, Appointed by the C.O.N.F.E.D. council to act as an intermediary between the Council and the Fleet. Level 7 is issued to the Commander of Space Station Sedition, who is appointed by the C.O.N.F.E.D.

Line Officer
There are three ways that a person can receive a Line Commission in the C.O.N.F.E.D. fleet.

1. The C.O.N.F.E.D. honors commissions issued by Starfleet Command, any person who joins the C.O.N.F.E.D. who had previously held a commission as a Starfleet Officer will be awarded a C.O.N.F.E.D. Commission as a line officer of the equivalent rank.

2. A C.O.N.F.E.D. Line Officer Commission will be awarded to any person who has received a degree from a minimum 4 year higher learning education facility. The Commission will be awarded after the completion of a C.O.N.F.E.D. Officers Training course.

3. A C.O.N.F.E.D. Battlefield commission, to a Line officer, can be awarded by the Senior Commanding Line Officer (if none available issuing authority falls to the FLO) in certain circumstances. Most Likely example of this would be if a position such as executive officer (which must be held by a line officer) is needed to be filled and the only persons available are NCOs or more likely Warrant Officers a BFC can be issued

Warrant Officers
Warrant Officer Commissions are issued to any person who’s training, experience and position, warrant an officers commission though their qualifications do not meet that of a Line officer. As with Line Officers the C.O.N.F.E.D. recognizes warrant officer commissions issued by Starfleet command.

Non-Commissioned Officers
Non commissioned officers are all those who’s training, experience, position and qualifications do not meet those of either a Line Officer or Warrant Officer. Again the C.O.N.F.E.D. recognizes any NCO rank issued by Starfleet.

LOL Hopefully that explains what determines a person Commission status in the C.O.N.F.E.D.

[Capt Christopher Donovan]

I noticed that on all your unis the color of the pant stripe matches the armband on the left sleve, the epulets, and the turtleneck collar EXCEPT for the "Command", which has a red stripe, but everything else is WHITE. Is that intentional?

[UnWantedSoldier]

Yes this is intentional, (aside from the stripe the command epaulets and command NCO insignia both have red borders while the rest of divisions are bordered in their own color.) This is a Hold over From the Starfleet Uniforms from this era, (command division officer’s trousers have a red stripe down them).

[UnWantedSoldier]

Well time to add another set to the list of C.O.N.F.E.D. Fleet Uniforms. These are work (a.k.a. “Grease Monkey”) uniforms that can be worn by all personnel (Officer/Enlisted, Male/Female) while performing maintenance duties. The uniforms purposely do not display any rank or division colors, (in the traditional sense of command, science, security, etc...) instead they merely display the persons Name, ship, and to which area of the ship they are assigned to. Although these uniforms are intended for use while performing maintenance duties they can in certain areas of the ship be worn in place of the standard duty uniform. (I.E. Engineering, Shuttle Bay, and Torpedo room)

There are 4 different colored versions depending on where a person is assigned onboard ship.

Grey: Maintenance
Grey is used to signify general maintenance, everything from unplugging a backed up head to repairing a ruptured EPS conduit falls under this banner along with major components such as sensor arrays and computer cores.

Red: Engine Room
Red is used to signify Engine Room personnel, it can be worn by any one assigned to a ships engine room or any other location onboard ship that deals with power generation or propulsion such as Impulse engine rooms, Energizers, and RCS units.

Green: Flight Deck
Green is used to signify Flight deck personnel it is worn by any personnel who directly deal with the maintenance of embarked craft or the area in which they reside. This covers all shuttle and cargo bays onboard ship.

Brown: Ordinance
Brown signifies Ordinance and is worn by personnel who work in or perform maintenance on a ships Torpedo Bays and phaser emitters.

[Mentat]

Fantastic! Very nicely done.

[Mauiman]

Sorry to Necro but what in the sam whackity heck does the acronim C.O.N.F.E.D. Stand for?

I wen't up and down every page of this thread looking for the defination.

[edit]

Well I had gone to the site that I was too darned blind to see the hyperlink to and I had found out this
Citizens Orginizations for New Federation of Ethics Deplomacy (C.O.N.F.E.D.)

[UnWantedSoldier]

Sorry to Necro but what in the sam whackity heck does the acronim C.O.N.F.E.D. Stand for?

I wen't up and down every page of this thread looking for the defination.

[edit]

Well I had gone to the site that I was too darned blind to see the hyperlink to and I had found out this
Citizens Orginizations for New Federation of Ethics Deplomacy (C.O.N.F.E.D.)

Hehe, I didn't realize i didn't explain the acronym stood for in this thread, lol I've got so many different ones floating about its hard to keep them all strait. If your interested my 2d wip thread covers probably 90% of everything I've done for sedition with the exception of a few finished images which are scattered about in the 2d gallery, i know there is an update to this one which shows the 140 different uniform combinations (http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/2d-gallery/12742-140-variations-counting.html) i came up with for the C.O.N.F.E.D. fleet uniforms.

[peragrin]

excellent colouring designs. My only problem is with the ranks.

Once you reach captain level your in charge of the whole ship not just an engineering department. Commanders I can still see being separated out at least on the larger vessels. Though that is a simple fix to work from.

[Starscream]

excellent colouring designs. My only problem is with the ranks.

Once you reach captain level your in charge of the whole ship not just an engineering department. Commanders I can still see being separated out at least on the larger vessels. Though that is a simple fix to work from.

Not so. Scotty and Spock were both holding the rank of Captain during the later TOS Movies, with Scotty receiving his promotion to Captain "of Engineering" in The Search For Spock.

Plus, if I'm not much mistaken, there is real life precedent for it.

[UnWantedSoldier]

excellent colouring designs. My only problem is with the ranks.

Once you reach captain level your in charge of the whole ship not just an engineering department. Commanders I can still see being separated out at least on the larger vessels. Though that is a simple fix to work from.

Im not sure i quite understand your problem with the rank. Is it steamed around the fact that the rank being displayed for Commander is for the command division? because that is just what i chose to display, it doesn't mean that all commanders are in command division colors. On Thor which is what the rank is displayed for the highest ranking officer on board is a Full Commander, There is no one of captains rank in command of that ship. I never liked the fact that in star trek (untill DS9) any one in charge of a ship regardless of ship size or crew complement was automatically a Captain both in name and rank. Most of the C.O.N.F.E.D. Fleet is made up of smaller vessels with crew complements under 300, There is only a hand full of ships commanded by full bar captains.

I hope that answers your concerns. if not could you explain them differently.

[Aresius]

well, They where captains in rank, but still had their departments, because the highest officer aboard wasn't a captain, but an admiral.

It always has something to do with the higher officers. If Spock for instance were the highest officer, he'd surely not stay at his science station and command the ship from over there.

And about Scottys promotion; Starfleet thought of him like of the Enterprise. Too old. So he'd be the captain of a engineering corps. The Excelsior was still in dock, no one said he'd be leader of the Excelsiors enginnering section.

[Starscream]

well, They where captains in rank, but still had their departments, because the highest officer aboard wasn't a captain, but an admiral.

It always has something to do with the higher officers.


No, it has something to do with who has the rank and position of Captain. Scotty had the role of Head of Engineering Dept., Spock took on (or was shoehorned into by SF) the role of Head of Sciences by the end of STIV:TVH, since clearly Kirk was not an Admiral at this point.

Essentially they all had the same rank, however Kirk was Captain of the ship(ie, Captain in name), and therefore highest in the chain of command. Remember, Kirk was no longer an Admiral by the end of STIV:TVH onwards, and both Scotty and Spock kept their individual ranks.

Prior to this, Kirk only took command as both senior officer and the guy with most combat command experience in STII (otherwise he would have remained a passenger); and in STIII Scotty was promoted to Captain of Engineering for the Excelsior, where Captain Styles was still in command of the ship itself.

Do you have a valid source for any of your statements Aresius? Because all that I've mentioned here was taken directly from onscreen evidence, whereas your comments seem to be based solely upon misinformed opinion...

[Vagabond Elf]

excellent colouring designs. My only problem is with the ranks.

Once you reach captain level your in charge of the whole ship not just an engineering department. Commanders I can still see being separated out at least on the larger vessels. Though that is a simple fix to work from.

It's also worth pointing out that there is real-life precedent for having multiple persons with the pay grade of captain on a ship. On a USN carrier the CAG (Commander Air Wing, the bloke in charge of all the aircraft) is an O-5 (Captain), as is the Captain of the ship. And as the carrier is a flagship, with an Admiral aboard, it may also be carrying a staff officer with the rank of O-5 to assist said Admiral. Only one of them is in command of the ship, of course.

[Aresius]

Hey, I just saw a new post. Sry Starscream, here the answer.

Actually my thoughts are also based on onscreen facts.
I myself said that they're captains of departments (Cpt of Engineering, Cpt of Science). but I was rather following the regular chain of command (okay, the plausible follow-up of a captain in the commodore and not the admiral, but that's not the point) than a merely unusual exception.

And as far as I remember, they made him cpt of engineering for and not aboard the Excelsior. (I've gotta check that when I watch the cinema again.)

[DAve]

IIRC in the real world if a second officer of rank Captain is aboard a ship he is referred to as Major for the duration of his stay as there can only be one 'Captain' on a ship.

However I may be wrong, and it may only apply to Army Captains on a Navy ship.

DAve

[UnWantedSoldier]

And as far as I remember, they made him cpt of engineering for and not aboard the Excelsior. (I've gotta check that when I watch the cinema again.)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by your distinction of "for and not aboard" but regardless Scotty is not demoted by STVI:TUC. In TUC Kirk, Spock, and Scotty are all Captains in rank serving aboard the same ship.


IIRC in the real world if a second officer of rank Captain is aboard a ship he is referred to as Major for the duration of his stay as there can only be one 'Captain' on a ship.

However I may be wrong, and it may only apply to Army Captains on a Navy ship.

DAve

As far as i know (I''m not 100% though)that only applies to Army Captains (and possibly marines i only say that because They have the same rank structure but i don't know for sure) since the navy has no rank of major. Secondly they are called majors rather than lieutenants because to call an officer by a lower rank than they hold is an insult. This is also why I'm almost positive this doesn't apply to the navy because the rank of major is two pay grades below Captain.

Thx for the replies guys, and resurrecting another one of my threads LOL. :D

[Aresius]

With the difference between for and abroad I mean the difference of serving on a ship (abroad) and working with the ship (for).

I mean, he was the chief supervisor of the corps that were constructing and working with the ship, but I don't think he was the chief of the engineering staff that was to serve at it like Geordie did on the Ent-D and -E for instance.

Yes, they were all captains, but as said of their divisions. Science, engineering, commanding.

[Meatshield]

"Unisex" skirts? Sorry I must have had temper blindness, when they came on! :lol: man they where bad. Who ever came up with that idea should bow there head in shame. If it was Gene at least he corrected his mistake!

The "Skant" (unisex skirt) was actually just a long tunic that looked like a dress because the wearers weren't wearing pants (shorts or underwear, I guess). It was an idea that's variously been laid at the feet of either the production staff (a logical outgrowth of the "equality-max" future), or David Gerrold (who worked on early concepts for TNG).

It was going to be a show fixture, but was....err, ahead of it's time. I guess Riker wouldn't exactly have cut an authoritative figure on the bridge in one of those. Never mind Wesley (or Worf)...It only appeared in a handful of episodes, usually in the background (though Yar wears it in the final bridge scene of "Farpoint").

Should have kept them for the females, though.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/4/42/Male-lt-skirtvar-eaf.jpg/180px-Male-lt-skirtvar-eaf.jpg

[docprice]

In the US. Navy Captain is the Rank of 06.

On larger Vessels or command and controll ships there can be more of the same rank when dealing with 06. As such only one person can be incharge of the ship and he or she is refered to as Captain or Skipper. As for the other people of the same said rank are reguarded in traditional military custom with "sir" or "mam" or "captain."

Lets say for instance on a smaller ship like a frigate or destroyer an 05 is in charge. this would be a Commander. he is still refered to as "Captain or Skipper" because of his Station. i.e. Captain of the USS Never Sail CDR joe schmoe.

[bbzwbbzw]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/4/42/Male-lt-skirtvar-eaf.jpg/180px-Male-lt-skirtvar-eaf.jpg

Wow, and I just thought starfleet had a very liberal attitude towards cross-dressing.

[Capt. Eric Gardner]

*gulps*

[Meatshield]

Honestly, I think they missed a chance when they "retired" the Skant uniform. Could have made for some great sight gags...

Not to mention that it would have reinforced the time gap.

[Aresius]

Men in skirts...
The only time I see this is with the Scots. And I think that's right. Else.... Nay

[Icarus68954]

Am I the only one who noticed that this is a ten-month necropost?

[Aresius]

You are surely not, but since many have already responded (and Meatshield is new), I think you can try to be a bit calmer. ;)

[docprice]

<--ooopps mybad, didnt pay attention.

[Icarus68954]

Calm? I'm calm!!! ARe you suggesting I'm not calm?!?


ARRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!

(</irony>, since it seems like some people are under the impression that they can tell tone-of-voice from a fourteen word inquiry)

[Capt. Eric Gardner]

Easy there, laddie.