L.A.P.D. Spinner

[Basajaun]

LOS ANGELES
NOVEMBER, 2019

:D

Recently I read that Ridley Scott is working on a new cut of his si-fi masterpiece Blade Runner, which is going to premiere next year. This 'Final Cut' is suposed to be the movie as Ridley wanted it to be back in 1982. It's going to be very hard to wait until 2007 to watch this amazing movie on the big screen for the first time -I was born two years after the premiere of the original cut- so I've decided to model a Spinner, the futuristic flying car designed by Syd Mead, which is also one of the most recogniceable elements of the film.

This is what I've done so far. Still a lot of work to do.

[ecritter]

A real beauty, can't wait to see how it turns out.

[backstept]

dang I really need to watch that movie again :D

looking great so far :thumb:

[Larsen]

Very nice work mate:thumb:

[Tinukedaya]

Just not that long ago I watched the dvd of mine. Simply one of the best movies ever. And I love your work on this one. Can't wait to see it done. And I really hope you are right about the new cut.

[farcry]

I dont know how people can get their stuff so smooth, i allways fail when trying it. Excellent work so far :)

[Prime_8]

sweet! love it.

::
see i'm not the only one to make a SP avitar

[Glazy]

The DVD blurb for this says

This is Blade Runner: The Final Cut, Ridley Scott's definitive new version of his science-fiction masterpiece. This multi-disc Special Edition release will also contain three alternate versions of Blade Runner: the Original U.S. Theatrical Cut (never before available in the UK); the Expanded International Theatrical Cut; and the 1992 Director's Cut.


So there'll be 4 different versions on the DVD,I really hope that he puts the whole sequence with Zhora getting killed and Deckard fighting Leon all back in the correct order.


Nice Mesh so far too !!!!!

[Beowulf]

AH blade runner, one of the most under appreciated movies ever........
Great model, looking forward to see wht you do with it.

[biotech]

Nice mesh, I look forward to you puting her in the rain.

[Aethernaut]

Sweet! One of my favorite movies of all time. Though, it's nothing like the book.

[black campbell]

REALLY cool!

[cobywan]

My favorite car of all time. And next year is BR's 25th aniversary. I am going to build a Tyrell building model for Wonderfest next year to enter thier contest.

Back on topic...your model looks supe sweet already. Let me know if you need any reference. I've got at least one CD full of scans and downloads laying around here somewhere.

[Basajaun]

Thanks for your comments :)

@ cobywan:

I'd appreciate any reference pics you could send me, specially if they are images of the 'hero spinner' (the most detailed miniature they built for the movie) and the full size spinner (I think they built two of them).

[Silverblade-T-E]

good work :)
Bladerunner is the best sci-fi film ever, sorry Trek & SW fans ;)

[Basajaun]

Small update:

[Basajaun]

Another small update.

I'm progressing a bit slowly because I had to rebuild some parts that were wrong.

C&C are welcome, of course.

[mental|plate]

you have a few mesh errors but i'm shure you are aware of them.
btw great model, just love it, and the movie, well i dont need to talk about how i love it right..

[Alareth]

Fun Trivia Fact: The movie Soldier (w/Kurt Russell) is set in the same universe as Blade Runner.

[Glazy]

Fun Trivia Fact: The movie Soldier (w/Kurt Russell) is set in the same universe as Blade Runner.


That story is a load of nonsense in many ways from writer David Peoples. Just because there's a Spinner on the planet amongst the junk,there's also part of the Lewis & Clark from Event Horizon there but it doesn't mean it's set in that Universe.

I know they mention the battles of Tannhauser Gate and Shoulder of Orion from Blade Runner,but there are also references to Star Trek 2,Escape from New York and Aliens in Todd's war record

Now I know David Peoples has refered to Soldier as a "side-quel" because it's meant to be set in the Blade Runner universe but that's more of an after thought I'm sure,the soldiers are obviously not meant to be Replican't like Roy Batty as they certainly have more than a 4 year lifespan.I read an interview with him years ago when he more joked at this story because of the Spinner being there on the planet,now everybody thinks it's true.
Had it felt more like the Blade Runner universe or had Replicant's then it might have been true.

As another note Todd is equiped to use the Illudium PU36 Explosive Space Modulator from the Marvin the Martian cartoon's,does this make Soldier also set in the Bug's Bunny universe ? :)

[TerranCmdr]

Wow, that's quite beautiful.

[Larsen]

Nice work mate:thumb:

[Basajaun]

Thanks guys.


you have a few mesh errors but i'm shure you are aware of them.

Yes, I know. Usually I can handle this kind of mesh errors quite easily but the one on the 'wing' is giving me a lot of trouble. I've been unable to fix it so far.

[biotech]

Have you tried deleting the polys, then adding them back?

I find this often works wonders.

[Aethernaut]

Looking really great.

[mental|plate]

Thanks guys.



Yes, I know. Usually I can handle this kind of mesh errors quite easily but the one on the 'wing' is giving me a lot of trouble. I've been unable to fix it so far.
:D
i'd tryed what biotech sad it works for me often!

[Basajaun]

I haven't done much today, but I just realized that I haven't posted any images from below yet, so here they are:

[Bar]

Sweet. Keep us posted on your progress.
bar.

[cobywan]

I'm still looking for those references for you. Although I think you've done VERY well without them.

[Basajaun]

I haven't progressed too much lately because I'm still trying to fix the mesh-error in the 'wing' :shiner:

I have also some segmentation in the back side.

Once solved those two problems, I will go ahead and continue adding more detail.

[biotech]

Did you try what I suggested?

[Basajaun]

Yes, but it didn't work :(

[Basajaun]

Update:

After being tweaking the mesh for several days, finally the mesh error has gone!!! :D

You won't notice a lot of changes since the last few updates because for the most part I've been rounding edges (chamfer/bevel), cleaning the mesh to fix small errors and so on, plus I'm probably one of the slowest 3D modelers around here :p

The good news is that I think I'm done with the hardest part of modeling the Spinner which was defining the basic shape, and what's left is just adding detail here and there. The problem is that my reference pics are of very low quality and they don't show very well all this detail so I guess I'll have to figure it.

BTW, something that may interest to all BR fans: in October there's going to be a re-release of the Director's Cut (http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/blade-runner-directors-cut.html) on DVD for a limited period and then, as I said earlier, in 2007 there's going to be a theatrical realease of a new cut by Ridley Scott wich is going to be part of a new 3-disc set which is going to include all the 4 cuts of BR (Original US Theatrical Cut, International Cut, Director's Cut and Final Cut) along with plenty of bonus features :)

[Basajaun]

Two more pics.

[mental|plate]

WOW, that is some nice work, looking cool!
and yay, for the re-relese of the BR!

[Nutsy]

Really nice stuff... now UV unwrap it and give it some propper detailed textures... Great work

[Basajaun]

Not so fast, there's still a lot of modeling work to do. I'd say it's about 35-40% done ;)

[cobywan]

I got my references together for you this weekend. I just need to figure out how to get over 600MB of info to you. If you have broadband I can use the "you send it" service. But if I can figure out how to make a torrent and get it on a server then a lot of people could get it as well.

[Basajaun]

Update: the bottom part is almost finished, there are just a few things missing. It's not very accurate but I have not a lot of reference pictures of it.

[JDR]

That is AWESOME. What a great model.

Of course, is anyone now thinking that that Tumbler in Batman Begins is not as original a design as they all like to go on about it being? I'd go as far as to call it a total ripoff.

[cobywan]

I bought the 1/18th scale diecast Tumbler to go together with my Medicom Spinner because they are so related.

I always thought that.

[Bar]

Yes. It was discussed thoroughly at SSM when the design was revealed.
bar.

[JeffrySG]

Basajaun: the model looks great! sweet job man!

I always thought that the directors cut was Ridley's vision of the movie... no narration, unicorn scene added back in, no 'happy ending'... but I'd be curious to see what this newer version has - and maybe they'll release it in Blue Ray or HDDVD!

If you are really interested in the movie, I'd recommend reading: Future Noir - The making of Blade Runner (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061053147/sr=8-1/qid=1153453599/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-6516907-7478530?ie=UTF8) by Paul M. Sammon. It's a very thorough and very readable making of book. They even have a nice decription of all the different version that are out or were out.

Anyway... I always wanted to see someone model some of the designs from BR and you're doing a great job!
cheers!

[Basajaun]

I already own a copy of Future Noir but thanks for the advice :thumb:

In fact, reading that book inspired me to model the Spinner :D

[Basajaun]

Basajaun: the model looks great! sweet job man!

Thank you :)


I always thought that the directors cut was Ridley's vision of the movie... no narration, unicorn scene added back in, no 'happy ending'...

Ridley Scott was under a lot of pressure when he made the Director's Cut and they didn't gave him enough time to do it properly. His idea was to take the workprint and use it as the basis for the new cut and restore it including never before seen footage (the unicorn, the violence scenes from the International Cut, Holden in the hospital...) plus some important changes (no narration, no 'happy ending'...). In the end, he was only able to do the changes you mentioned over the original 1982 cut (not over the restored workprint as he wanted). In Scott's words "the DC is almost the movie he wanted to do back in 1982".

I've read somewhere that he has been working for quite a long time in this new Final Cut, so I guess this time he has done it in his own way without any interference from Warner Bros.

[JeffrySG]

I already own a copy of Future Noir but thanks for the advice :thumb:
Great minds, I guess... ;)


I've read somewhere that he has been working for quite a long time in this new Final Cut, so I guess this time he has done it in his own way without any interference from Warner Bros.
Now I'm really curious if he'll do any special effects fixes or changes? matte fixes, etc, or anything stupid like lucas did?? hopefull not... and if there is anything hopefully it will just be cosmetic!

[cobywan]

I imagine the only thing he would change is some wire removal. The FX ar perfect as they are. BR is still a movie to be surpassed in the VFX department.

[Basajaun]

Agreed. The FX of BR are so spectacular. In my opinion they don't need to be retouched in any way.

BTW, cobywan I'd appreciate if you could send me a few refs of this part (see attached pic). I can't quite figure out what's in there. Thanks in advance.

[Basajaun]

Time for a new update.

The rail in the right side of the Spinner needs to be fixed in the upper part (it's a bit longer). Just a few more details and the outside will be finished.

[Roliba]

LOVE the spinner lights! Man, you're doing great work!

[zbuzz1]

Oh man, I loved the effect in Blade Runner, still one of my favorite scifi movies of all time. Great job detailing this man. I can't wait to see a final render. So... You making some scenery for it next?

[mental|plate]

Looking good man, lights look awsome....

[Basajaun]

I'm glad you like it, guys :)

Update:

- Bottom part is finished.

- The side rail is fixed.

- I've started adding additional detail sucha as wires.

- Once I'm done with the exterior I'll begin with the interior.


I've attached an image showing the finished bottom part.

[al3d]

now that's just cool..hehe..:)..can't wait to see it painted..:)

[Sukhoi_Flagon]

brilliant, really nice clean mesh and looks spot on from what i remember. this threads really helped remind me how DAMN GOOD bladerunner was lol. i remember there was a bladerunner game, bit of one of those mysteryish ones. anyone ever play it?

[Jayden]

"Ive seen things, you people wouldnt believe, hmmm.
... attack ships on fire off the shoulder of orion.
Ive watched c beams glitter in the dark near the tannhauser gate.
All those moments, will be lost in time like tears in rain..."

This movie is brilliant, good to see its being cut again so I can throw my ideas of what it is about out the window and go back to being confused :D

Awsome model Basajaun, looks cool. Even if it is to be lighthartedly honest the ugliest looking car ever concieved. :D

[cobywan]

Agreed. The FX of BR are so spectacular. In my opinion they don't need to be retouched in any way.

BTW, cobywan I'd appreciate if you could send me a few refs of this part (see attached pic). I can't quite figure out what's in there. Thanks in advance.

Here is a taste of what I have

[cobywan]

Here is a link to my blueprints that I have negleted for the last four years;

Untitled Document (http://home.comcast.net/~cobywan/Templates/Spinner.htm)

[JDR]

Agreed. The FX of BR are so spectacular. In my opinion they don't need to be retouched in any way.

A few areas of matte lines and overly-heavy grain could stand to be fixed. But yes, on the whole its perfect.

[Basajaun]

Those few images you've posted are more than enough to see how inaccurate my mesh is :shiner:

Oh, this is so frustrating :(

Thnx for the pics cobywan.

[cobywan]

It looks GREAT! I would say it's the most accurate one I have seen so far. I say finnish it and if you still want to do it over a year from now that would be fine. PM me a mailing address and I'll send you the CD-ROM I have ready for you.

[cobywan]

Here is that torrent file. Once you have saved it to your hard drive delete the .txt and load into your favorite client.

If this upload doesn't work here it a link to the torrent file at Demonoid.

http://www.demonoid.com/files/download/HTTP/431016/2962050

[Basajaun]

I've just downloaded the references. I'll examine them carefully this weekend.

Thank you cobywan :thumb:

[cobywan]

Great! I'm glad it worked for you. The last time I checked there were 48 copies made.

[indianna500]

smart looking model, keep goin, it will be worth it in the end :-0


I must dig out my photos, probably a bit late now, but they actually had one of the stunt spinners at the MGM universal Park in Orlando, this was about 15 years ago and I did get some great shots of the profiles, may be useful?

[BolianAdmiral]

This is so awesome... totally not enough 3D of flying cars out there. This one is one of the coolest. I'm really looking forward to seeing this finished!

[cobywan]

smart looking model, keep goin, it will be worth it in the end :-0


I must dig out my photos, probably a bit late now, but they actually had one of the stunt spinners at the MGM universal Park in Orlando, this was about 15 years ago and I did get some great shots of the profiles, may be useful?

Those are in the archive file I posted. So many people took photos of it while it was still there. It's gone now. My understanding is that it was chopped up and sent to a landfill.

On a realated note, the Sci-fi museaum here in Seattle has a refurbished Spinner in one of the conference rooms.

[Basajaun]

Hi!

It's been a while since my last post. I've been very busy in the last few months and I haven't had a cahnce to work on my 3D projects until now. But finally the momento has arrrived, I'm free and willing to keep working on my Spinner. I'll post new updates as soon as I can.

BTW, thanks again to cobywan for this huge amount of reference material :)

[Basajaun]

Ok, here we go.

I've reworked most of the inside part and tweaked many small areas. The changes are varely noticeable.

[biotech]

Looks great to me.

[Glazy]

F A B U L O U S !!!

[Coolhand]

That looks great! Keep it up:)

[EBOLII]

Yes the details are to say......well they look perfect. I look forward to see more progress

Good job

[Silverblade-T-E]

ah, memories of watching Blade Runner Director's Cut in an arthouse cinema (only one that would play it, pals/cousins went nuts to see it)...on film the Spinner sequences are just AMAZING.
*thumbs up* great modelling of a great craft :)

[BolianAdmiral]

Looking great. But one thing kind of hit me... where does the prisoner go? :D

[Bar]

Looking great. But one thing kind of hit me... where does the prisoner go? :D

There are NO prisoners. They blow them all away, and the morgue wagon mops up the residue...

[Basajaun]

Blade Runners are like Klingons: they never make prisoners :lol:

Small update...

[Enigma X]

I have a buddy of mine that did one of these, I myself attempted one(it looked okay for a guy who did it when he first started out at 3d),

Keep it up, it's looking quite nice.

[Basajaun]

A closer look...

[evil_genius_180]

Wow, that looks like a physical model. That glass is majorly realistic.

[Basajaun]

Thanks evil_genius :)

I've been working a bit more on the interior.

[evil_genius_180]

That's so frakkin' cool. :devil:

[Raffs]

Looking very cool mate:)

[cobywan]

You've done a man's job sir.

[Bar]

You've done a man's job sir.

It's too bad she won't live...

[JeffrySG]

It's too bad she won't live...

"Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave. "


Friggin' great looking model there, Sir!!! Keep up the nice work!

[JeffrySG]

I remember they had one of the original spinners outside in MGM studios in Fla a while ago... I always thougt it was sad to see it there just sitting out there in the rain getting ruined... Like tears in the rain....

[cobywan]

You know what happend to that Spinner? It got chopped up and thrown into a landfill.

There is one in a personal collection in Japan and one hanging in the SF Museum here in Seattle. :p

[JeffrySG]

You know what happend to that Spinner? It got chopped up and thrown into a landfill.

That might be the saddest thing ever.... you know that some collector would have taken it.... maybe even refirbed it a bit... or a museum... :mad:

[Rodavan]

Very cool model - going to watch bladerunner tonight again :thumb:

[cobywan]

I'll wait to see the remasterd film in the theater. It's going to be great.

[Basajaun]

Hi!

Thanks for your comments guys :)

I'm also looking forward to see the new cut Ridley's done. Unfortunately, I think it's only going to be shown in theaters in the USA, so the rest of us will have to wait until the DVD is released.

Anyway, here are a few more renders:

[evil_genius_180]

Looks awesome. I don't know how, but I've never seen that movie. Maybe I'll get it from NetFlix and try it out.

[MocaMoses]

thats so cool :thumb: .. can i have one?? :D
w/o all the lights haha

[Bar]

Looks awesome. I don't know how, but I've never seen that movie. Maybe I'll get it from NetFlix and try it out.

I don't know what to say about that one...
You have never seen Blade Runner?:o

[Brickhead]

Outstanding work,very nicely done.

[Basajaun]

Hi!

Thank you Brickhead :)


thats so cool :thumb: .. can i have one?? :D
w/o all the lights haha

I'm affraid the Spinner is a police vehicle, civilians are not allowed to own one :p


Looks awesome. I don't know how, but I've never seen that movie. Maybe I'll get it from NetFlix and try it out.

You haven't seen Blade Runner yet? take my advice and watch it, you are loosing one of the greatest sci-fi films ever done :thumb:

Ok, I haven't done much today but here you have two hi-res renders:

[EBOLII]

looking real good

[jimmy1701]

only watched this film the other night for the first time. seriously cool movie, I seen a part of the first cut when I was in new york afew weeks back the one wth the narration by harrison ford and was getting really into it when i had to go for dinner in planet hollywood lol.

Was a surprise to see Edward James Olmos in it as hes in the new Galactica series and hes just really cool in the film even as a supporting role. was expecting him to either whip out a cheesy looking blazer from miami vice or tell someone to frak off or atleast say launch vipers lol. Seriously cool actor though.

On the model, well all I can say is it looks like a really cool effort can see a mile away its been a love hate relationship in some areas such as that wing mesh error and what not but overall its come together perfectly :)

[evil_genius_180]

You haven't seen Blade Runner yet? take my advice and watch it, you are loosing one of the greatest sci-fi films ever done :thumb:

Yeah, and it's really odd, considering the fact that my dad had it on tape. I'll have to go over to his house and borrow his DVD. Great work in the spinner. I like those hi-rez renders. :flippy:

[SGC_Sam Fisher]

I don't know what to say about that one...
You have never seen Blade Runner?:o

I don't see whats wrong with that, neither have I. How good is it anyway? Oh yeah, nice model.

[scifieric]

Ok, I haven't done much today but here you have two hi-res renders:
Nice! I can't wait to see them covered in acid-rain and flying through crowded city skies!

Drink one for me, pal.

;)

[Basajaun]

Hi!

Another update.

The interior is being, by far, the most difficult part to model mainly due to the lack of good reference material. I'm trying to make it as accurate as possible and as a result I find myself undoing previously modeled parts and remodeling them again all the time.

The extirior isn't totally finished but what's left are just some minor details and a few mesh errors and segmentation that I'll handle later.

.

[cobywan]

It really looks quite correct to my eye. The bank of "clocks" acting as a HUD looks really good.

[Dhal_Naka]

what's up men!
Awesome work! Really! It must be so hard to make this model have than much detail, but its to sweet! Its a pleasure to watch this kind of works :)
Keep it up!

[Basajaun]

Hi!

No modeling today, just an attempt to make a decent texture for the seats. I'm not totally satisfied with the result but anyways here you have two renders. I'm open to suggestions :)

[Dallidas]

hmm...is it supposed to be leather? or leather-ish?

[Basajaun]

Yes, that's the idea.

[Basajaun]

Hello everyone, I'm back :)

It's been more than two years since the last update. I think it's about time to make some progress on this model. After I carefully checked the reference material that cobywan gave me, I realised that the bottom part of the Spinner needed some remodeling, so that's where I've started. I have also made some minor modifications to the interiror and I hope to finish detailing it in a couple of weeks. The remaining stuff -wheels, door-opnening mechanism...- will need some more time.

[Pagrin]

Looking good. Glad to see someone spending time on a spinner to get it right. I always felt this was one of the more interesting "future cars" done for a movie.

[tobiasrichter]

wow - once upon a time... :)

Nevertheless, this is still a great looking model! I´d love to see it finished in the next couple of years :D :D

[Wiz]

Next to the Falcon this has to be one my favourite vehicles, and you are doing a great job mate.

[cobywan]

That's lookin' very nice. VERY nice.

[Basajaun]

I'd like to be able to animate the doors and the front wheels -coming in and out of the 'pods'-, does anyone know any good tutorials about rigging machines/mechanical objects?

Concerning the modeling stage, which I hope won't last too long, I'd say the interior is pretty much finished. The available reference doesn't reveal too much detail so I'm improvising and adding stuff randomly.

[D.M.J.]

For "improvising and adding stuff randomly", that's all very plausible details. You could easily have gotten away with saying you were doing it all to exact blueprints :D

[ChrisGFX]

impressive ... most impressive! :)

Chris

[cobywan]

I think it's shaping up to be better than the filming miniature work.

[Basajaun]

Thank you all for your kind words :)

Small update: WHEELS!!!

[newman]

I've been following this thread, definitely not enough Blade Runner stuff around here :) You've done the spinner justice, looks great.

[somacruz145]

I'm not familiar with that vehicle but man, that looks absolutely stunning ! :thumb: The cockpit is a small piece of (modelling) art :D

[Basajaun]

Hi!


I've completed the rigging for the forward wheels and the "pod-caps". It's not exactly what I was looking for -expressions and such is just too advanced stuff for me- but it works so I think it's ok. Here's an animation I've done to test it and a couple more images. Modeling of those parts is not yet finished, but almost.

[Freak]

nice very nice.
never though they had wheels but it a great idea.

[cavebear]

Looks great! Wouldn't want to drive it on the road though, it has such poor visibility for the driver. Rather just fly it around :D

[Basajaun]

Hi!

Sorry for the delay but there's been some major remodeling going on in the past few weeks. You probably won't notice most of it, but believe me, there've been a lot of subtle changes. In the other hand, I was finally able to properly rig the landing gear and now it's working the way it should so, overall, I'm quite happy with the way this project is progressing so far.

Here are some images, I hope you like them:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_179.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_180.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_181.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_182.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_183.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_184.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_185.jpg

I will start texture mapping the model soon, unwrapping it is going to be a total nightmare :help:

[cuya]

Wow

[BolianAdmiral]

Frakkin' awesome. I love flying cars. :)

[somacruz145]

Words can't descibre the amount of awesomeness that's pouring out of this model ! :thumb: I absolutely love it, especially the front part with "hiding" wheels !

[nilianth]

AWESOME! i love blade runner! your model is very very clean! can't wait to see more!;)

[cavebear]

Looks very good except for one glaring error :eek:. In the second picture from the top, the front wheels are turned. The housing is cutting in to the right front wheel almost to the middle of the tire. Your going to have to figure out how to turn the wheels without that interference.

[Basajaun]

I just turned them to make the renders more interesting, but obviously the design only allows the direction of the wheels to be turned a few degrees. As you pointed out earlier, the Spinner offers poor visibility and the front wheels don't allow proper maneuvering of the vehicle. I believe the only purpose of the landing-gear is to land the car and some very basic driving capabilities on the ground, but that's all.

[cobywan]

On the full sized car they cut out the fairing on the bottoms to allow the wheels to turn.

http://www.c-we.com/piranha/spinner3.jpg

I think this implies that they cut it in the upper left section view;

http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/sector/3/pics/spinner_diagram_large.jpeg

http://media.bladezone.com/contents/film/production/props/spinner3/spinner_rising.jpg

And a great source if you haven't already looked;

BladeZone: The Online Blade Runner Fan Club (http://media.bladezone.com/contents/film/production/props/spinner3/spinner_rising.php)

[Basajaun]

I checked the screencaps you provided me a couple of years ago and the film itself shows clearly the Spinner with the hemispherical housing of the wheels intact -no cuts- so I asume that's the way it's supposed to be. Those cuts (among many other modifications) were made afterwards, but that's not the way it was originally conceived and filmed.

[EBOLII]

Basajaun it may not seem like much of a thing. But that glass, whether it be the blue cop light type things or the windshield....

....well to be blunt. this is a great mesh and texture job. Well done

[Coolhand]

outstanding work:thumb:... shame the design was flawed in the ground mode - a problem that could have been solved one way or another - but i've watched the film more than 10 times and never noticed that it had actual front wheels anyway:D

[StarSlayer]

The model is excellent and I always liked the design, though I wonder were they put the folks they arrest? Strap them to the hood like a 10 point buck?

[Dhal_Naka]

Awesome work mate! Really like it! Keep working on it! ;)

[IRML]

I can't believe I've only just seen this, it's awesome

if I was still a mod I'd put it on the header

nice work

[Binkerman]

Excellent work ... Deserves to be on the Header for sure ... You've done this thing very well ...

Blade Runner is one of my favourite movies, .. I still often listen to the soundtrack, ...

Top Job Mate :thumb: !!,

Jas

[Freak]

The finished product looks sweet.
Just needs a bit of a paint job now.

I agree with the others this needs to be headder.

[ozcan]

nice work! Flying cars ftw :)

[cobywan]

I checked the screencaps you provided me a couple of years ago and the film itself shows clearly the Spinner with the hemispherical housing of the wheels intact -no cuts- so I asume that's the way it's supposed to be. Those cuts (among many other modifications) were made afterwards, but that's not the way it was originally conceived and filmed.

The flying spinner doesn't have the cuts. The driving one does.

[Basajaun]

Hi!

The more this model grows, the harder it get's to manage the whole thing, so I've spent a few days putting everything in order: I've named every single object and material in the scene, I've put everything in layers, and so on...

Now, before I start texture-mapping the car I think I should first stablish the materials/shaders I'm going to use, so after doing a little bit of research I've come up with some nice glass, tinted-plastic and car-paint material. This is what I have so far:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_186.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_187.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_188.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_189.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_190.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_191.jpg

I'm not an expert on shaders so any tips and/or comments would be more than welcome.

[nilianth]

wow! awesome!

[black campbell]

Wow!!!

[blendercross]

Really cool !!!!

[Basajaun]

Seen from below:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_192.jpg

[Freak]

That is so freaking cool!

[number_six]

:eek!: Awesome!

[RAF-MX]

OH MY...This is a perfect masterpiece! FANTASTIC !
Increible trabajo amigo !

[somacruz145]

Oh wow that model is beautiful ! I can't even imagine what will it look like with proper maps ! (I guess that only better :D)
Keep up this awesome work ! :thumb:

[J.Wilde]

You've done a man's job, sir!

[uscmBSG75]

Very nice work one of favorite movies.

[scifieric]

This is an absolutely beautiful model!

[Basajaun]

Hi!

Thank you all for your support, I'm glad you like the way this is coming along. I'd like to apologize for the lack of updates in the last couple of weeks but I'm currently rigging the Spinner -I've started all over again from scratch- and I've been spending some time learning MAXScript to make some custom attributes as well as a UI to store them.


Increible trabajo amigo !

¡Muchas gracias amigo! ;)


Oh wow that model is beautiful ! I can't even imagine what will it look like with proper maps ! (I guess that only better :D)

Hopefully we'll be able to see that soon since the exterior is now fully unwrapped and I plan to start painting my textures on Photoshop shortly. I still need to think of a method to avoid the seams from being too obvious.

[Basajaun]

Hi!

Ok, it's time for a new update. To begin with, I made the graphics of the spinner:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/decals_sample.jpg

I used 3ds max to make them. They were then exported as vectors in order to tweak them in CorelDraw before I merged them into Photoshop. After that I started working on the surface of the car by adding some rust and dirt. It's a slow process because there's a lot of surface to cover and I don't want to go too far with the weathering, so I have to be careful. This is what I've done so far:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_194.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_195.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_196.jpg

There's still a lot of tweaking and refining to do, but it gives me an idea of where I'm going.

C&C are welcome :)

(BTW, there seems to be something odd going on. In the computer I use to do my 3D stuff those renders looked much more contrasty, while in this PC they look a bit washed-out.)

[somacruz145]

Yeah the textures seem a bit desaturated but overall it looks gorgeous ! :thumb: The textures are really nicely done and fit perfectly with the model. Now I just want to see the final model with those HDRI reflections :D

[scifieric]

That's beautiful work!

[Pic-A-Card]

That's looking great, dude. It'd be useful to see it in a scene with reflections so you can work out that aspect of the materials. Any chance you're going to try to replicate one of the shots? Layering all of the volumetric fog and light effects is a compositors dream.

[cobywan]

That is awesome.

I also found some new photos today. Here's the link;

Blade Runner 44 Inch HERO Spinner photos from Jean-Marc Deschamps (http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=17325)

[Wiz]

She's a real beauty! :)

[Basajaun]

Thank you for the link cobywan! :)

[Basajaun]

Time for a new update.

I'm now runing 3ds max 2010 (I was using Max 7 'till now) in my new PC (i7-920, 12MB RAM), and I've started using Mental Ray instead of the default Scanline Rendere. Here's the result:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_202.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_203.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_204.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_205.jpg

[Bar]

That's looking incredible!!!

[somacruz145]

Amazing shots ! :thumb: They're really close to photo quality :D It will be interesting to see how much better the model will get once you get the hang of all new max features.

[deg3D]

Nice work! :)

Don't forget a lil' origami swan or unicorn... :D

deg

[Freak]

Man That is looking great!!

[Dr-Timelord]

That is awesome! we never get to see enough blade runner stuff here on SciFi Meshes

[scifieric]

Terrific texture work!

[cobywan]

This is the best Spinner I've seen. Period.

[Basajaun]

Thank you all for your nice comments! :)

Time for a new update. The exterior is almost finished and I will star texturing the interior shortly. I'd like to put a pilot inside so I will probably start modeling it as soon as I'm finished with the Spinner.

Here's the new set of pics, I hope you like them:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_206.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_207.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_208.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_209.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_210.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_211.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_212.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_213.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_214.jpg

[anystar]

its a beauty!

[Freak]

Man this is looking great now that it finshed. Just need to make a scene for it now.

[newman]

Brilliant work. Wish there were more blade runner threads happening..

[scifieric]

Terrific texture work!

[Glazy]

Super-de-duper !!!!!

[Dhal_Naka]

Amazing work mate! It's look really good! Keep working on it!!!!

[Wiz]

Really nice work mate, looks like you are really getting to grips with MR :)

[tobiasrichter]

That is so BEAUTIFUL! What a great model and brilliant renderings! I love it...

[Treybor]

I must say that this is an outstanding model. Your attention to the small details is amazing. I did two versions of the Spinner myself back in 2005 and 2007, but your version has much finer detail and texturing. Did you use the blueprints form Spinner Dokuhan?

Bravo!

[Basajaun]

Thank you for your kind words Treybor!

I'm glad to see you over here. I know about your Spinner, in fact, one of the very first pics I got when looking for reference in Google was a render of your's. I read somewhere that you were working on some FX shots for a BR-based fan-film but that was some time ago. What happened to that project? are you still working on it?

As for the blueprints, I used the ones available on the net as well as a set of more accurate blueprints provided to me by cobywan. I don't know who the author of those is, but I believe it's cobywan himself.

Thank's again and I hope to see you on this boards more often :)

Update on the current status of the model: I've already started texturing the interior and I expect to post some renders by the end of the next week. I'm not having any major issues so far but the seats seem like they are going to be the most challenging part, I'll leave them for the end.

[Treybor]

Thank you for your kind words Treybor!

I'm glad to see you over here. I know about your Spinner, in fact, one of the very first pics I got when looking for reference in Google was a render of your's. I read somewhere that you were working on some FX shots for a BR-based fan-film but that was some time ago. What happened to that project? are you still working on it?

The Blade Runner Chronicles died a tragic death about three years ago.
You can still see some of thr development content on my site:
http://www.seansgallery.com/pages/bladerun.htm


As for the blueprints, I used the ones available on the net as well as a set of more accurate blueprints provided to me by cobywan. I don't know who the author of those is, but I believe it's cobywan himself.

Thank's again and I hope to see you on this boards more often :)


It's a possibility.

[cobywan]

I did get a scan of the production blueprints a couple of years back. I don't know if I ever got around to pasting them together in Photoshop. My CAD drawing was based off of the small images of these plans that I was able to glean from various print sources.

[Treybor]

I did get a scan of the production blueprints a couple of years back. I don't know if I ever got around to pasting them together in Photoshop. My CAD drawing was based off of the small images of these plans that I was able to glean from various print sources.

oooo! Cool. Would you be willing to share? I have scans from my copy of Spinner Dokuhon if yoare interested.

[Basajaun]

Sorry for the delay in posting more updates.

I'm done with the interior. The Spinner is fully textured now and for the most part, this project is finished. I'm currently finishing the rig -as I learn some scripting- and next I will start playing with the lighting.

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_245.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_246.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_247.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_248.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_249.jpg

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/spinner_wip_250.jpg

A few more WIP pics left and I'll be ready to make something more interesting with it, perhaps an animation or a still image, not sure yet.

[somacruz145]

Oh crap :o That is unbeliveable ! I liked the model from the beginning but I didn't expect it to turn out so photorealistic. Awesome job Basajuan, can't wait to see more renders of this one - perhaps something for the header ?:rolleyes:

[Treybor]

That's a thing of beauty. I love the rain spattered glass surface. Great work.

[Breech Block]

Wow! That's pretty awesome. Great modeling skills, you've really nailed it. Took a look at the web page as well and really liked the BR ernvironments. Shame it got abandoned after all that effort. Thanks for sharing the piccies.

[korborak]

Wow, Most impressive!! Love your work and the movie.

[IRML]

excellent

[cobywan]

The coolest model I've seen in ages. CG or otherwise for that matter.

[Basajaun]

Time to get back to this project!

The Spinner needs a pilot, so I've modeled a low-poly character to put inside. I managed to get a couple of good reference pics that show in great detail the uniforms of the policemen from BR so it's quite close to the film. The model is very simple and I know there are some anatomical issues -specially in the arms and hands- but with proper textures, I believe it'll look good enough.

This is the finished model, next I will start texturing it:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/Cop_wip_015.jpg

[tobiasrichter]

I just looked again at those renderings - what a fantastic model and textures. And the pilot looks great, too!

[mastahachi]

great job on the details sir! is that a pure high poly mesh or lowpoly hul+normal map?

[L2K]

shoulders could be larger and the elbow should be lower in the arm. (forearm is shorter than upper arm.) the arms are a bit long too.
arms in rest position, the fingertips are about one hand above the knee. yours look too low.

the hands dont look so bad ;)
i'd give him big gloves. like police bikers:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2670/3934826015_f38e7d103d.jpg

[Basajaun]

shoulders could be larger and the elbow should be lower in the arm. (forearm is shorter than upper arm.) the arms are a bit long too.
arms in rest position, the fingertips are about one hand above the knee. yours look too low.

the hands dont look so bad ;)

Thank you for your help. I've made a few tweaks and a couple of ortho renders to avoid any distortion produced by the perspective, tell me what you think:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/Cop_wip_016.jpg

I thought a wireframe might be of some interest as well:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/Cop_wip_017.jpg


i'd give him big gloves. like police bikers:

Actually, the guy has gloves, just not like those. This is what I'm using for refernece:

BR Cop 1 (http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/misc/cop1.jpg) | BR Cop 2 (http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/misc/force_cop.jpg)

[L2K]

better ;)
still 2 or 3 things. allow me to do a quick paintover
http://www.nicepixel.eu/preview/paintover.jpg

also, you'll need 2 or 3 more sections in the forearm (or else, it will go wrong when you'll rig the forearm twist)

looks good. looks like a regular cop. no heroic ultra bodybuilded guy.

[Basajaun]

Hi!


great job on the details sir! is that a pure high poly mesh or lowpoly hul+normal map?

Thank you! If you are talking about the Spinner, there's no normal-mapping involved. There's a bump map subtly applied, however, to enhance some details.


better ;)
still 2 or 3 things. allow me to do a quick paintover

also, you'll need 2 or 3 more sections in the forearm (or else, it will go wrong when you'll rig the forearm twist)

looks good. looks like a regular cop. no heroic ultra bodybuilded guy.

I made a few changes based on your notes. I appreciate the time you took in doing that paintover, it's very helpful.

Anyway, since the character is made up of just a few polygons it requires detailed textures to meke it look interesting. To add that extra detail I started working on the bump map -which is almost finished- and I'm now working on the diffuse map. The specular/reflection map will probably be the last one, since it's the least important one in this particular model. This is what I have so far:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/Cop_wip_041.jpg

[Brundelfly]

A friend of mine and I are going to build one in 1/6 Scale.

If anyone has an interest in or input.

Let me know!

[Greeble_Gremlin]

Wow!
' hope you don't get tired of hearing this Sendoa, but this is great work!
I've been away from this forum far too long.
I hope you don't mind me asking, what render "set-up" are you using?... are those mental-ray shaders and rendering by any chance?
also, how many polys is this little beastie up to by now?

You've put a lot of hours in on this...it shows! Very nice!:cool:
:cool:

[Basajaun]

A friend of mine and I are going to build one in 1/6 Scale.

If anyone has an interest in or input.

Let me know!

I think covywan was planning to build a physical model of the Spinner too, can't wait to see both models take shape. Good luck and keep us updated on your progress!


Wow!
' hope you don't get tired of hearing this Sendoa, but this is great work!

Tired? Not at all! Thank you very much Greeble_Gremlin.


I've been away from this forum far too long.
I hope you don't mind me asking, what render "set-up" are you using?... are those mental-ray shaders and rendering by any chance?
also, how many polys is this little beastie up to by now?

The render setup is very simple actually: I'm using mental ray with Final Gather enabled at it's lowest quality preset (to speed-up render time), there's a skylight which uses an HDR image (the same image I put on the Enviroment slot of my materials) and a couple of photometric lights. That's for the last set of renders, in the previous ones I used max's standard lights. I'm using raytrace materials + phong shader for the most part except for the matte surfaces where I'm using max's standard material + oren-nayar shader. The polycount is 703,810 polys/1,473,157 tris.



Update on the current status of the pilot: Modeling is finished, texturing is finished, rigging is finished... but skinning/posing it is being a total nightmare. I hand-weighted all the vertices one-by-one but I can't get proper results. I'm not sure if the problem is the mesh itself or that I need to keep adjusting the weights even more. I'm affraid I'm not going to be able to complete this part of the project in a satisfactory way, so my other choice is to find an alternative method :(

Any ideas?

[gigsywigsy]

Would you be able to give me a breakdown of how you made the blue shader for your spinner? Im trying to study how you did it but struggling! Looks phenomenal!

[Basajaun]

Hi gigsywigsy!

For the blue shader I'm using a Raytrace material with the reflections set to fresnel and the IOR at a value of 1.7 if I remember correctly. There's a Falloff map in the diffuse slot set to Perpendicular/Parellel. In the second color swatch I'm using pure black, and in the firt one blue (or whatever color you want the surface to be). The look of this type of surfaces depends a lot on the enviroment they are reflecting so putting an HDR map in the enviroment slot will greatly enhance it. Also you can combine the reflections with specular highlights or just use pure reflections, that's up to you.

You could achieve similar or even better results using MR's Car Paint or Autodesk Metallic Paint shaders which do essentialy the same but with a lot more features like flakes.

I hope this was of any help.

[L2K]

in max skin modifier, theres a paint weight. you select the bone you want, tweak the setings (by default weight is set on 1. which is way too much. .2 or .3 is the way to go), kick off the blend wieght option, and start painting. paint a half, and let the symetry (past blue to green verts) do the other one. it works pretty good.

also, while skinning your character, be sure to always have him animated over a few frames, in a sort of extreme aerobic/gymnastic. this way, you can see immediately what and when is wrong, and fix it easily.

[Basajaun]

I'm pretty much done with this poroject but I just wanted to show you how this whole thing turned out. I finished the pilot, and even rigged it. Unfortunately I was unaable to properly skin it and therfore I couldn't pose it to fit in the Spinner. This is the fully modeled and textured mesh:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/la_cop.jpg (http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/la_cop.jpg)

I also spent some time modeling and texturing a cityscape meant to be rendered as a full 360º enviroment map. The final image was a 32-bit float 6260x3130 EXR file that I could use to get nice reflections and a consistent lighting (using IBL techniques). Here's a clamped version of the full size map:

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/cityscape_wip_031.jpg (http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/wip/cityscape_wip_031.jpg)
(Cilck on the imge to see it in full size)

And here's the EXR image in action: Not the most impressive render in the world but makes the Spinner look very similar to how it looked in the film.

http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/lapd_spinner_final.jpg (http://www.sendoa-bergasa.com/gallery/blade_runner/lapd_spinner_final.jpg)

And this is it: modeling, texturing and rigging all done. It's ready now for doing some still images or animations.

- PROJECT FINISHED -

[IRML]

this is one of the best WIP threads I can remember here, great work

[Darth Ziggy]

Wow! Very cool! This thread started in July of 2006.

[somacruz145]

Wow congratulations on the finished project ! I agree with IRML that it's one of the best stuff that was around here. The last render is just unbeliveably cool :thumb:

[Freak]

Very Nice.

[number_six]

Nice! :o

Of all the SF vehicles out there
this one and the Tumbler tie for
first place. Look forward to more
renders!