3D Another bunch of Trek projects [Archive]

CobaltSky

17th May 2006, 17:47

I love it but not as a trek ship. It looks fine for trek but if you look at it backwards and use the deflector as propulsion and change the nacells to weapons or sensors then it looks like it could easily be from an original universe.

It has a very interesting shape in general and looks like it could be some kind or defensive vessel (big shield projectors) or possibly a terraformer.

BlueRaa

17th May 2006, 17:51

Talk about original design! It's so hard to do something truly original yet still seem trek. But you've done it. Beautiful.

lennier1

17th May 2006, 17:54

Thanks, but I only modified an existing design.

MichaelS

17th May 2006, 19:13

It's ... unusual. :D

I'm not sold on the design at all, but the execution is really flawless.

Ozylot

17th May 2006, 22:15

Hey! Well its been said already but ill say it again. Thats really cool... at last, something original and trek. Nice work.

sovrane

17th May 2006, 22:22

I know the original, and what u made is much better! THUMBS UP

Starscream

17th May 2006, 22:27

I really like the fact that you used Constellation-type nacelles on this one Lennier, although I'm not sure that including a botanical section ala the Gilso schematic was such a good idea - why the frell would anyone put in a botanical section for a giant tanker??? :D

Overall though, *right-click, save* ;)

AldrikG

17th May 2006, 22:28

The model looks very cool.

Whoever designed it gets props for taking basic Trek design in a new direction.

I really like the way you went with the side-slung nacelles :thumb:

I_E_Maverick

17th May 2006, 22:53

very interesting design!

Martocticvs

17th May 2006, 22:57

Well that is certainly different! Nice start there mate.

Zardoz

17th May 2006, 23:09

Is a interesting design of ship

Romu

18th May 2006, 00:26

hehe glad to see one of my favourite threads with azza's planet thread is back ;)

Cool design, nice to see something new and fresh in trek. Looks good so far.

lennier1

18th May 2006, 08:25

@all: Thanks.
@Starscream: Don´t worry. On this ship it´s not a botanical garden but the recreational area for the crew like the big one in the saucer of a Connie. I´ll only use maps for the interior since the ship will only be a background object anyway.

Helot

18th May 2006, 13:54

Well modelled. Have to agree with everyone else that has commented on the originality of the source. Excellent.

Freak

18th May 2006, 14:10

WOW! That not Trek yet it is. Very cool! Any plan to do a TNG era one?

larundel

18th May 2006, 14:13

this looks like and intresting designs...reminds me of something out of star wars....a good looking differant ship none the less.

jimi kane

18th May 2006, 17:27

Very cool. Nice to see some more of your stuff dude, always good. Likin this ship, kinda looks like a Jem'Hadar style ship to me. Look forward to more. :D

Vulcan

18th May 2006, 17:35

To be honest, I personally don't prefer the asthetic look of having double saucers, but logically, it would make oodles of sense to have twice as much ship room by having dual saucer sections. Nice design. 8)

lennier1

18th May 2006, 17:40

Thanks. In this case they´re only 8 deuterium tanks with some additional equipment. The actual ship is mostly the main body.

Captain Boh

18th May 2006, 20:50

For some reason the 'secondary hull' type peice in the middle seems a bit odd to me. I'd probably have used a saucer, or gone with a more traditional tug type setup. Good work though.

lennier1

18th May 2006, 21:02

To each his own. I actually chose it because I liked the idea that the saucer module would get a completely new function as deuterium tanks while the engineering section became the actual ship.

Captain Boh

18th May 2006, 21:10

I think its the way that its closed in that bugs me.

But then if you only had tanks on top, you'd only be hauling half as much. And people would think it was a saucer.

Ah well, utility ships aren't there to look good.

scaramanga

18th May 2006, 22:10

may I ask where you got these schematics? I've been looking for some trek concept art.

great work on the tanker btw!

lennier1

18th May 2006, 22:22

Thanks. I got the one for this ship from http://www.shipschematics.net. It´s mostly kitbash hell but there are a few real raw jewels hidden away between the kitbashes.
Once the Request area has been rebuilt we´ll probably have to recreate the old reference material library.

Dark Angel

19th May 2006, 14:27

I like it. Any other designs in progress? Cruiseliner? So on?:D

lennier1

19th May 2006, 14:42

Thanks.
Not much else going on since the interiors have a higher priority. A few other models which are also in the works:
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3020/tmpdaedalus21a5iy.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3020/tmpdaedalus21a5iy.jpg) http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5007/ussmoriokav17ef.th.jpg (http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5007/ussmoriokav17ef.jpg)

Freak

19th May 2006, 14:45

That Some Nice Work Lennier. I like to see more of your ship work.
Love Interior work! keep it up!

baxart

19th May 2006, 15:56

I really like the Morioka! With a little spit & polish I could live with that as a Reboot TOS Constitution.

lennier1

19th May 2006, 16:06

Thanks. I planned to categorize her as one of the early testbeds during the Constitution refit process.

Romu

19th May 2006, 17:59

They both look fantastic, works find as a testbed imo

jimi kane

19th May 2006, 19:53

Always a fan of Daedalus lookin ships, and yours is great so far. Will it have a deflector?

eFirehawk

19th May 2006, 20:03

It's looking awesome buddy! :)

I liked very much the U.S.S. Moriokav, very nice idea put the saucer and the nacelles closer to the secundary hull, and those TMP impulse engines are just awesome in the TOS designs :D Keep up the good work :)

plus: I'm Erik Fh, just came back with a new username :)

lennier1

19th May 2006, 20:07

Thanks. Some views from a slightly older revision:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8831/tmpdaedalus21b8vm.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8831/tmpdaedalus21b8vm.jpg)

@eFirehawk: Glad you´re back. Nice to hear that you like what you see. Her nacelles won´t look bad either once I manage to apply the familiar blue/white glow from the movie era to the off white areas. Hope your 328i is still alive and kickin´ too. ;)
@all: Sorry for not explaining it sooner. Morioka is a city in the northeast of Japan´s main island Honshu. Small map: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5457/morioka8io.gif unfortunately ImageShack tends to add a letter before the numbers. Hence the possible "Moriokav" misunderstanding.

jimi kane

19th May 2006, 20:20

Ah. Question answered. lol :D

Starship

19th May 2006, 22:41

Superb, as always. :)
Can I suggest you to post a thread with the finished ships (or repost them here) ? They are great, and don´t deserves to keep as lost pics. :)

Ramiel

20th May 2006, 01:09

I love the way you work!:D
Good stuff!

Trelane

20th May 2006, 01:45

WOW! I'm not sure I like them all but you do such a good job modelling them, it's hard not to. I particularly like the low neck Connie variation.

MORE, MORE!

Dark Angel

20th May 2006, 08:33

I love the USS Morioka! Well done!:D

lennier1

20th May 2006, 09:01

Thanks.
@Starship: I´ll try to post a list. Unfortunately that stupid rule with 4 images per post is still active.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1870/asteroidlabestablishingshot6ma.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1870/asteroidlabestablishingshot6ma.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8661/dynastyupd10pf.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8661/dynastyupd10pf.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5246/mirrorantupd12vn.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5246/mirrorantupd12vn.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3489/pretossmallexplorerupd20sj.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3489/pretossmallexplorerupd20sj.jpg)

lennier1

20th May 2006, 09:04

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4854/congoupd10tq.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4854/congoupd10tq.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9545/enteraasteroidoutpost1a6rl.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9545/enteraasteroidoutpost1a6rl.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6893/tosdrydock6mb.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6893/tosdrydock6mb.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5176/polarisupd17ez.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5176/polarisupd17ez.jpg)

lennier1

20th May 2006, 09:05

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5723/melbourneupd68lz.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5723/melbourneupd68lz.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4450/voytypeescapepod1collage1oz.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4450/voytypeescapepod1collage1oz.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8004/dy1200variant2wp.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8004/dy1200variant2wp.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5696/commbunker3iu.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5696/commbunker3iu.jpg)

lennier1

20th May 2006, 09:06

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4496/aldrinperspective6ng.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4496/aldrinperspective6ng.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6007/type156xo.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6007/type156xo.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/199/dy9003mh.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/199/dy9003mh.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7947/klingonfreighterfinallsmall6tu.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7947/klingonfreighterfinallsmall6tu.jpg)

lennier1

20th May 2006, 09:06

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6122/pleiadesupgrades4bu.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6122/pleiadesupgrades4bu.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2764/calaisupgrade0hx.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2764/calaisupgrade0hx.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6666/congreverelease1hu.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6666/congreverelease1hu.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7484/2collageperspective8oj.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7484/2collageperspective8oj.jpg)

lennier1

20th May 2006, 09:07

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4171/shuttlepodtype171collagebig1hb.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4171/shuttlepodtype171collagebig1hb.jpg)
There´s a lot more where those came from but this should be enough.

Prime_8

20th May 2006, 09:34

dude ..

barry1

20th May 2006, 11:33

love the vancouver man

Captain Boh

20th May 2006, 11:34

Yeah, I wish I could have done it first though. ;)

lennier1

20th May 2006, 11:42

Thanks.
@Captain Boh: Since your specialty is the TOS era you could always model the famous ship from that time which mine was named after. ;)

Captain Boh

20th May 2006, 11:46

Always could...

I think that at the time you first posted that I was just giving up on my own simmilar ship. And I'm from Vancouver.

Mine was going to have a round pod on it though, like the on your Nagoya

lennier1

20th May 2006, 11:57

Interesting. You once mentioned afterwards that you wanted to build one yourself but you didn´t post more at that time. Something similar to the TOS Nebula which was posted at TBBS a short while ago?
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1575/fedmarcopolo1240tk.th.gif (http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1575/fedmarcopolo1240tk.gif)

lukas123haha

20th May 2006, 18:08

ST Enterprise era Daedalus, Pointer class, SS Darwin ????

lennier1

20th May 2006, 18:14

^^
Starship only requested finished projects. Unfortunately I never finished those three. But a friend of mine is currently working on his own version using pics of my Daedalus as a starting point: http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357&goto=newpost

Captain Boh

20th May 2006, 22:58

Nah, it was Excelsior based, I just never got much farther than the saucer section. The different number of pannels from the top and bottom made the saucer require a huge ammount of segments and my system couldn't handle it.

prfz00m

22nd May 2006, 01:48

Very cool. As good as anything on ex-astris-scientia or the Starfleet Museum, with which you seem to be familiar.

Freak

22nd May 2006, 08:52

Dam Lennier that is some fine work there!

Capt Christopher Donovan

22nd May 2006, 23:02

lukas123haha

23rd May 2006, 09:26

more renders !!!!

shipfisher

23rd May 2006, 10:57

Your ships always look so credible and totally canon. Always a treat to see your work mate.:)

lennier1

23rd May 2006, 11:04

Thanks. Most of these designs have already been out there as 2D art for years. I´ll never know why people choose to ignore them in favor of building the 131843213542154243542124th TOS Connie.

Freak

23rd May 2006, 11:06

LOL, yar the are some intresting design out there.

baxart

23rd May 2006, 11:45

Really nice stuff here!! I hope they open the mesh section soon! *shameless begging*

lennier1

23rd May 2006, 11:57

Thanks. Unfortunately I´ve learned my lesson. More than a hundred downloads and the only one who used one of the models was a friend who would´ve gotten the files anyway. Add to that some experiences with Bravofleet, Miranda & Co and you´ll understand why I only give my models to long-time SFM members with a history of putting their model library to good use.

Starship

24th May 2006, 03:09

Thanks. Unfortunately I´ve learned my lesson. More than a hundred downloads and the only one who used one of the models was a friend who would´ve gotten the files anyway...

Hey, don't forget me... I've made one rendering with the Apollo Class. :D ;)

lennier1

24th May 2006, 03:16

No sweat! I was talking about public releases that happened before that. You´re among the people who only have to drop me a line to get a model they want (just like it happened with the Apollo). ;)
Hence that last part:

...long-time SFM members with a history of putting their model library to good use.

nhall

24th May 2006, 06:37

Capt Christopher Donovan

24th May 2006, 06:58

I wish I had the money for the software and the talent to use it...there's a few 2d schematics out there I'd dearly love to see in 3d...

Freak

24th May 2006, 08:42

@Capt Christopher Donovan: you can download a copy of Blender for free. here is a link.
http://www.blender.org/cms/Home.2.0.html

lennier1

24th May 2006, 11:36

I really love your Mirror Universe Terran Empire ships. They've got that original-yet-menacing look to them, you know? And I really like your TMP-era Daedalus. The Vancouver, while not my favorite design ever, is still an interesting ship. Nice, simply nice. Would you be interested in doing an animation? Possibly one for the community demo reel? (See the link in my signature) :D :D :D

Cheers,
Nick
Thanks. Not sure what kind of animation you want. Most of the time I only create flybys to test a few things during the final stages of a project.
Examples: Flyby 1 (http://home.arcor.de/michaelzock/stuff/flybys/lennier1_USS_Cheron_Flyby1.avi) & Flyby 2 (http://home.arcor.de/michaelzock/stuff/flybys/lennier1_USS_Melbourne_Flyby1.avi)

lennier1

24th May 2006, 19:54

BTW: Does anyone remember if I already posted this pic near the end of the old forum?
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8680/tmpcorvettejoshua12gb.th.gif (http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8680/tmpcorvettejoshua12gb.gif)

NBTrekie

24th May 2006, 20:03

I think I remember: Nope, you haven't.

lennier1

24th May 2006, 20:08

Thanks. I keep forgetting things now that I´m in my old days. :D
Here´s the reference image, in case anyone´s interested.

nhall

24th May 2006, 20:13

Flybys, manuevers, anything you like would be wonderful.

:D

Cheers,
Nick

Freak

25th May 2006, 08:22

What is that Lennier. a freedom class?

lennier1

25th May 2006, 13:38

@nhall: I´ll give it a try but I can´t promise anything at the moment.

@Freak: Nope, the Freedom (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/freedom.htm) isn´t much more than a kitbash but the Joshua Class tried to blend the parts together to improve the design.

crackpatch

25th May 2006, 14:00

hmm I'm not fan of this design, nor the freedom's, the warpcoils need more work to create a warpfield for the nacelles themselves than the saucer <_< good luck on modelling ;)

lennier1

25th May 2006, 14:23

Thanks. I´m a fan of ships with single and twin nacelle configuration (never understood why people feel the need to add more). And since the Joshua looks like it could perfectly fit into the time between ST6 and TNG I added her to the list.

Before anyone complains: Just imagine that there are actually two sets of warp coils in there and we won´t have to care about the pair rule". And the re are four spots where I can place smaller daflector dishes to make up for the absence of a bigger one.

Freak

25th May 2006, 15:47

For the Freedom Class which is a Canonn ship it has two sets of warp coils in one nescel. this is why Gene aproved it.

lennier1

25th May 2006, 17:08

Just a little something before I return to my usual fight with the bridge lighting:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8238/tmpcorvettejoshua26mn.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8238/tmpcorvettejoshua26mn.jpg)

barry1

25th May 2006, 18:13

just found these images 4 days ago at Star Trek LCARS Bleuprint Database

lennier1

25th May 2006, 19:43

Thanks , but I already have those.
There´s also a bridge to go with this model but since I didn´t find it as interesting as the other two bridges I´m currently working on, it´ll take quite a while until their finished versions make their debut.
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5851/tmpheavycruiserbridge11ix.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5851/tmpheavycruiserbridge11ix.jpg)

Makotokat

25th May 2006, 20:00

Interesting Caropet colour there, my first reaction wasn't good, but it grew on me quickly. Nice 1 nacelle ship as well.

Freak

26th May 2006, 08:24

An interesting colour you have there. What ship is this bridge for?

lennier1

26th May 2006, 09:09

An interesting colour you have there. What ship is this bridge for?Thanks. It´s the one just two posts above. Hence the bridge render being posted in here instead of my ST interior thread. ;)

Aresius

26th May 2006, 10:32

oh man, they're great!!!

You're doin' great stuff!!!!!!!

Romu

3rd Jun 2006, 13:42

Really love the colors on that bridge, can't wait to see more :)

Gothic_Goatboy

3rd Jun 2006, 14:10

I LOVE that tanker! nice to see a fresh trek design (at least fresh for me) I may have to put one of those together sometime. lovely!

lennier1

18th Jun 2006, 17:31

Thanks. Some minor progress:
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4623/tmpcorvettejoshua31mu.th.jpg (http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4623/tmpcorvettejoshua31mu.jpg)

The interior stuff is in a seperate thread: http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130
I know the area where the neck meets the nacelle looks weird but that´ll change with the additional detail and of course that cutout.

jimi kane

19th Jun 2006, 15:18

Dude, this is one of the only single nacelle ships ive ever scene that didnt look funny or mishapen. Excellent job man. Look forward to more. :thumb:

Freak

19th Jun 2006, 15:32

never been a fan of the single nacelle ships! but yours dose look good!

Aeneas

19th Jun 2006, 15:54

I agree with everything said above, I love the look of this little ship

Nutsy

19th Jun 2006, 16:22

Jesus m8 that is seriously cool trek stuff going on there :D

Really want you to start animating it all :)

lennier1

19th Jun 2006, 17:15

Thanks. It´s the same here. Normally I´m not a fan of single-nacelle ships or those experiments where they try to spal as many nacelles onto a ship as possible but this design just caught my attention and didn´t let go anymore. :D
Guess the basic structure is pretty much finished. Only a few tons of details and textures to go:
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3876/tmpcorvettejoshua49dw.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3876/tmpcorvettejoshua49dw.jpg)
@Nutsy: I´d sure like to do a few animations but lack of experience and plain old lazyness just don´t allow such a thing. But if you want some of the models to play around with them just drop me a line. You know I don´t mind sharing with the other SFM veterans. ;)

Nutsy

19th Jun 2006, 19:19

:) I may do that.
Iv always felt like exspanding my borg attack idea. But now with my job i hardly have any free time to do anything., I just end up lazing out and resting every evning...

What sucks is i also have a ton of projects i got to do for other people. Not that im not greatfull for them one is paid the rest are not. But its still a little waighing right now

lennier1

20th Jun 2006, 20:07

^^ Sounds familiar. Right now I´m only working on two projects (the Trek RPG and an original universe series), the 3rd (and the only paid) one hasn´t officially started yet. Good luck anyway with your projects. The offer still stands for when you might have the time to use the models.

@all: Finally managed to decide on the basic colors for some areas (a mix of Excelsior and Ambassador).
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/2195/tmpcorvettejoshua59nt.th.jpg (http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/2195/tmpcorvettejoshua59nt.jpg)

Freak

21st Jun 2006, 08:43

The colours are a good mix.

lennier1

26th Jul 2006, 21:15

Just to prove my claim in ST-One´s thread that a Nova variant with an Intrepid-like rim could work. Added a Sovvy-style deflector housing, a Connie-like slope towards the back and a few other changes to make it look more interesting.
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1869/tngnovavariant1akc7.th.jpg (http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1869/tngnovavariant1akc7.jpg)
Might be a fun project someday but until then it´s just an interesting experiment.

jimi kane

26th Jul 2006, 21:56

Indeed cool, but what scale is it?

lennier1

26th Jul 2006, 22:06

Somewhere between the Nova and the Intrepid. Maybe one and a half deck bigger than the Nova and a bit longer (I scaled the length of the Nova blueprints at 115%).

lennier1

11th Aug 2006, 19:33

jimi kane

11th Aug 2006, 20:31

Cool. From the top it looks like one of the early concepts for the Ent E. :thumb:

lennier1

13th Aug 2006, 01:12

^^ Actually it´s the only other good finalist from the Titan competition. But in the end Sean Tourangeau´s design won.

jimi kane

13th Aug 2006, 16:35

Ah, I never saw any of the other ones, only Seans. :thumb:

lennier1

13th Aug 2006, 16:56

Just to give you an idea, the three honorable mentions ranged from "butt-ugly" to "WTF?!?!?!?!?!":
Simon & Schuster: Star Trek: Starship Titan Design Contest Runners Up A (http://www.simonsays.com/content/feature.cfm?sid=44&feature_id=4418)
Simon & Schuster: Star Trek: Starship Titan Design Contest Runners Up B (http://www.simonsays.com/content/feature.cfm?sid=44&feature_id=4419)
Simon & Schuster: Star Trek: Starship Titan Design Contest Runners Up C (http://www.simonsays.com/content/feature.cfm?sid=44&feature_id=4420)

Freak

14th Aug 2006, 08:55

that is an intresting looking ship. But I agree with some of the design enter for the titan comp where in the WTF! range.

admiral horton

14th Aug 2006, 10:24

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5190/tngheavycruiser1smallrm2.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2292/tngheavycruiser1bigkh5.jpg)
Somebody from another board didn´t believe me the shape of that secondary hull could look good. So here´s the proof to show it can.

this design is a great start and the 2D pic is a great guide i hope to see more i think this could with the right work be another gem:thumb:

lennier1

8th Apr 2007, 14:40

A pic in Biotech´s USS Hawking thread made me wonder about how hard it is to model one of those nacelle shapes. Result: It´s actually a fun exercise.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8052/tngnovavariant2aax7.th.jpg (http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8052/tngnovavariant2aax7.jpg)
(NOTE: The pic in this post is just a test and won´t influence my Cerberus project in any way.)

Starship

8th Apr 2007, 15:37

A quick job, ehn ?
It was the time for you to update this thread.:D
Any news about the other wips? ;)

lennier1

8th Apr 2007, 16:00

^^ The main hull is the piece from #100 and the nacelle is just a box which has been extruded several times.
I prefer to separate the areas using different smoothing groups. Once the shape itself is done all I have to do is to integrate the lines for the smoothed edges, turn off "separate by smoothing groups" and fine-tune the resulting shape. Not sure how others do it but this is the method that works best for me on a shape like this.
As for Trek projects: Those are on the back burner since I need the detailing experience from my Stargate ship (see signature) for a project which will hopefully start later this year (basically a close friend, who also happens to be a great author, gives me the chance to have a part in building an independent SF universe and I get plenty of rope when it comes to designing and building ships inside the agreed design guidelines).

JoeRalat

8th Apr 2007, 17:04

lennier1

8th Apr 2007, 17:57

Thanks. Here´s a wireframe of the nacelle shape. Hope it´s of use to some people.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/228/nacellege0.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/228/nacellege0.jpg)

Hellsgate

8th Apr 2007, 20:59

Lennier1: Can't wait to see your nova varient finished. Will there be RPG-based "A.U." variations on this design on-request? (Ronin Class version of the A.G.T. phaser-lances, third nacelle or Interceptor-Class style nacelles & their pivoting / variable-geometry supports.)

Sign Me,
Curious In Surrey B.C.

:) :) :)

lennier1

8th Apr 2007, 21:05

Couldn´t care less about that RPG fanwank bullsh!t. So the answer is
NO!!!!!!
And thanks again for reminding me of why I don´t release my models to the general public.

scaramanga

8th Apr 2007, 23:32

Couldn´t care less about that RPG fanwank bullsh!t. So the answer is
NO!!!!!!
And thanks again for reminding me of why I don´t release my models to the general public.

héhé, I second that :D

lennier1

9th Apr 2007, 12:36

Thanks for the backup. And to prove my point of the shape benefiting from being stretched:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3655/tngnovavariantcomparedql2.jpg
(The superstructure is just there to make it seem less empty.)

Melak

9th Apr 2007, 13:41

Aw. Just when I thought "Haven't seen any kind of Nova variant around here for a while..." and started modeling one..Biotech starts one, you start one. Oh well I guess you can never have to many Nova look-alikes :)

Really nice Nova so far! How did you "integrate" the pylons into the hull? I experimented with a way that I wasn't totally convinced of, but it looked "alright" more or less.

lennier1

9th Apr 2007, 14:02

Thanks but it´s only an experiment. In my case the pylons are separate objects just like on the original studio model (pretty easy to see on the wireframe shot in the book "Starship Spotter" (good investment for anyone who wants to do some canon or semi-canon models of stuff which has been CG on-screen as well).
Looks like you´re pretty close to the solution but need to play around with the fine-tuning to get a result you´re satisfied with.

lennier1

9th Apr 2007, 19:36

Damn!
Just can´t get that shape study out of my head:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/28/tngnovavariant2collagetv6.th.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/28/tngnovavariant2collagetv6.jpg)
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/28/tngnovavariant2collagetv6.jpg

Ok, enough playing around with the shape of this baby for today. I really should get back to my SG project but I´m simply in love with the polygon flow on this toy.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5804/tngnovavariant2collagestg2.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3669/tngnovavariant2collagebgf1.jpg)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3669/tngnovavariant2collagebgf1.jpg

ghoyle1

10th Apr 2007, 02:14

These are wonderful... especially like the older vessels. Keep 'em coming, they're inspiring me.

Guy

Freak

10th Apr 2007, 10:18

Looks great lennier!

BorgMan

10th Apr 2007, 10:30

Nice one Lennier, I think it would also benefit from impulse engines in the saucers instead in the back of the superstructure. Not with a structure around it (like the Ent-B or the Sovereign) but encased into the saucer itself, a bit like my impulse engines for the Challenger. Just thinking aloud, tho ;)

jimi kane

10th Apr 2007, 11:38

Lol, fanwank, haha.

Nice update, does look real nice.

Melak

10th Apr 2007, 18:31

hmm, since you're so fond of the polyflow on the thing, care to share some wireframe renders? :)

The changes are noticeable if you directly compare the two renders, the second one looks indeed improved around the belly, shuttlebay and impulse engine. Nice work, keep on it :thumb:

lennier1

10th Apr 2007, 22:31

Thanks.

@BorgMan: Sorry to disappoint you but I´ve always been a big fan of the neck impulse drive on the Nova and the Galaxy and while saucer impulse drives can look great (e.g Galaxy, Akira, ...) I want to stick to a single impulse drive with Sovvy-like etched grill and a slight Galaxy twist.

@jimi kane: Hopefully I wasn´t too subtle with that message. Never liked the kind of crap he started and never will do. Seems like a lot of people agree with that as well.

@Melak: That´s exactly the group of areas I´ve been trying to improve. Glad you agree with the chances. And since someone else (who has definitely earned my respect in that area) has mentioned wireframes on IRC as well here´s a small treat:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/23/tngnovavariant2wirecollwg6.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1457/tngnovavariant2wirecollbi3.jpg)
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1457/tngnovavariant2wirecollbi3.jpg

@all: Those fins date back to a shape seen in the top view of the original Defiant Pathfinder design (back then it just looked like fins but actually was part of the nacelle shape) before it was recycled for the Nova proposal (where it eventually lead to real fins) and right now they´re only there as a test. Not sure if I´ll use/modify them, replace them with smaller ones like on the Equinox model or completely remove them like on the Rhode Island variant. We´ll see. I really have to get back to the Cerberus but this is just too much fun. Not completely sure about the name but those who know my preferences in Anime will probably understand why I favor "Ibuki".
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3493/tngnovavariant2collagesgw5.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5070/tngnovavariant2collagebgm9.jpg)
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5070/tngnovavariant2collagebgm9.jpg

BorgMan

10th Apr 2007, 22:51

Not a real disapointment Lennier, I was just thinking aloud. I'm curious in what the impulse engines will change :)

I've been a big fan of the Equinox tailfins, but I don't really like the ones you're using at this moment. I dunno... they make the nacelles look like oversized projectiles ready to be launched from the pylons...

I like the rest of it, tho :)

Lonewriter

11th Apr 2007, 03:01

love the bunker and research outpost and your Nova variant is great.

Melak

11th Apr 2007, 15:29

The wireframes look very structured and clean..unlike my meshes use to look :D

I have to agree with Borgman, I don't quite like the fins as they are now, have you tried to angle them upwards or let them get thinner to the outside maybe?

Hellsgate

11th Apr 2007, 17:52

I'd get rid of the fins altogether & put back a few original Defiant Pathfinder details. Pulse phasers, etc.

Lonewriter

11th Apr 2007, 17:59

but he isn't making a Defiant Pathfinder, he's making a Nova class variant. It doesn't need any uber Trek stuff added to it.

Aresius

12th Apr 2007, 17:46

impressive...

NBTrekie

12th Apr 2007, 19:16

I'd get rid of the fins altogether & put back a few original Defiant Pathfinder details. Pulse phasers, etc.

Dude, I could bet a 100 bucks that he doesn't care about your ideas/suggestions/whatever you say...

lennier1

12th Apr 2007, 21:18

First of all, thanks.

Not a real disapointment Lennier, I was just thinking aloud. I'm curious in what the impulse engines will change :)

I've been a big fan of the Equinox tailfins, but I don't really like the ones you're using at this moment. I dunno... they make the nacelles look like oversized projectiles ready to be launched from the pylons...

I like the rest of it, tho :)Not sure about the fins myself but it looks kinda naked without any and those tiny pieces on the Equinox looked a bit too small. My next try will probably be a compromise between the big ones and the microscopic ones on the Equinox. The impulse engine won´t look that different. In general I just want to keep the idea from the Nova, make it more rounded like the one on the Galaxy´s neck and give the grill an etched pattern like on the Sovvy´s impulse engines.

love the bunker and research outpost and your Nova variant is great.Coming from someone who seems to like the Nova as much as you that means a lot.

The wireframes look very structured and clean..unlike my meshes use to look :DDon´t worry. The Nova is actually pretty cooperative towards people who´d like to give SDS modelling a try. There´s not that much to take into account, which makes the wireframe look relatively clean. Doesn´t exactly hurt that some areas will be done using other techniques later on anyway. So no need to find any possibly messy solutions just for the sake of doing the whole thing using SDS.

but he isn't making a Defiant Pathfinder, he's making a Nova class variant. It doesn't need any uber Trek stuff added to it.

Dude, I could bet a 100 bucks that he doesn't care about your ideas/suggestions/whatever you say...Thanks for jumping to the defense guys but if he hasn´t learned after all this time that most people around here couldn´t care less about this fanboyish bullsh!t of his he won´t learn either. He´s the reason I´m grateful this place has an ignore list and hopefully that finally puts an end to it (at least for me).

fluxfire

13th Apr 2007, 00:59

Dude I like new designs screw the make the same old sh!t that every one has done to death!

I would like to see your ideas on how you would think that future ships of the federation would be made.

Lonewriter

13th Apr 2007, 01:10

The Nova variant is my favorite new ship from Voyager, it's too bad they only used it for the last episode and showed it only briefly.

fluxfire, what's wrong with making something old new again? Look at the way he and biotech are improving the original Nova variant. I like future ships also but I also like to see improvments to older ships as well.

MadKoiFish

13th Apr 2007, 06:26

To add to what I said on IRC I was just thinking that since this is voy era where everyone is about fixing that warp "5 " limit maybe the fins are some form of radiator to keep some unknown plasma heat from polluting, sorta like trek smog control? :p Or you could turn them into pylons for sensor clusters.

I might just have to take a stab at doing one of these ships. I loved the recessed bridge that was on this ship, but wasnt a fan of the belly or deflector (though I disliked most voy deflectors or secondary hull features.) That and I just love the little ships. Dunno why. Hope to see you online again exp since I gots me dsl now. Much faster than crapcast by 3X Now to find my self some sat tv so I can get REAL HD instead of this macroblock vomit Im paying 79$ a mo for. :p

fluxfire

13th Apr 2007, 07:38

Lonewriter

what's wrong with making something old new again?
Nothing...

I just like seeing new designs that look like they would have been made by that type of Sci-Fi culture.

lennier1

13th Apr 2007, 15:16

Thanks again. It´s always great to receive constructive feedback.

@fluxfire: Thanks. It might be a nice exercise but the Post-VOY era designs never intrigued me as the ones ranging from Post-ENT to VOY era. Just not my cup of tea. although there are some exceptions (like MadKoi´s interesting "Pancake Class" design study).

@Lonewriter: Glad we agree on something. The Nova actually has a lot of potential. It´s a good chance for CG enthusiasts to try out some techniques for semi-organic modelling and due to its simplicity it allows for a lot of room when it comes to design variants to suit one´s personal preferences.

@MadKoiFish: Twisted minds think alike and all that... :D Your idea is actually along the same lines as what I´d like to try. Stepped fins like above but smaller and angled. They´d be similar to those on the Equinox model but a bit bigger and more complex. A pattern on each side of the fins would give it something reminescent of those fins on the TOS Connie´s nacelles. That´s probably along your idea as well.
Glad you finally got better net access as well, old pal. And the rest will follow as well. I´m pretty sure about that. Looking forward to talking to you again. I probably won´t be online this evening since a couple of friends want to go out to play billiard and chat again. It´s been an eventful week at work so it´d be foolish to pass up on a chance to have fun with friends. No matter the amount of new ideas or the need to hear an experienced opinion on said ideas. :D Hope we´ll get a chance to chat later this weekend. and if not there´s always Monday and Tuesday. Got granted two days of vacation so I won´t have to endure the trouble with the move to the new company address (from formerly 150m² to now 500m²) starting next week.

ghoyle1

14th Apr 2007, 01:07

I'm a big fan of TOS and pre-TOS designs. I've never really been nspired by any TMP or TNG+ era ships (except maybe the Reliant).

A lot of the Franz Josef style ships bug me for one reason or another, too; they were designed before it was decided that the big dish on the Connie's engineering hull was moe than just a sensor dish. I hate those booms jutting down with a big dish stuck on them, like his scout and destroyer and tug.

Making things more and more futuristic won't make better Trek, IMO; in fact, I fear it would be just the opposite.

Guy

lennier1

16th Apr 2007, 13:09

Got around to doing a first draft of the nacelle. The real thing will probably have the blue section extended further to the back and the bussards will be more complex. Thanks again to MadKoi for the advice on the fins.
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3701/tngnovavariant2collagesun6.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9918/tngnovavariant2collagebbw4.jpg)
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9918/tngnovavariant2collagebbw4.jpg

Freak

16th Apr 2007, 13:15

Looking very nice!

ST-One

16th Apr 2007, 13:44

^ It does indeed! :thumb:

Aresius

16th Apr 2007, 14:40

aye...
looks good and cleany... ;)

lennier1

16th Apr 2007, 17:32

Thanks. Not sure if it´s easy to see but I want to do the grill pattern on the nacelles using textures like on the high-detail Intrepid nacelle rather than a simple modeled pattern like on most other Starfleet designs.
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7502/intlandbfo7.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7502/intlandbfo7.jpg)

jimi kane

16th Apr 2007, 19:47

That would be pretty cool man, how visible are you planning on making it? I only ask as Voyager's wasnt very obvious.

lennier1

16th Apr 2007, 20:28

Thanks.
It´s not worth that much effort. Here´s the mixmap from the first test. It basically blends between the glowing anisotropic nacelle material and a blue phong metal material.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8708/nacelleribsmixmapqv2.th.gif (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8708/nacelleribsmixmapqv2.gif)

Second attempt at the nacelles. This time around the blue cutout looks to long and mental ray has decided to throw in some sampling errors for good measure even though it worked perfectly fine five minutes earlier.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1921/tngnovavariant2collageskf2.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5143/tngnovavariant2collagebpr2.jpg)
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5143/tngnovavariant2collagebpr2.jpg

Lonewriter

16th Apr 2007, 21:28

looking good, the one thing I would do differant is darken the blue glow in the nacelles. Look at the blue biotec is using for my model for an example. The rest looks great.

lennier1

16th Apr 2007, 21:52

Don´t worry. That was only a test gradient. The final colors will be somewhere between the Sovvy and the Intrepid.

Freak

17th Apr 2007, 08:08

Look forward to seeing it.

ST-One

17th Apr 2007, 08:54

I don´t think the grill-area is too long... but one has to wait with the final judgment till it is illuminated :)

Great work, btw.
I had a look at the nacelles I built for my Nova-Variant yesterday, and compared to yours the look like crap...

lennier1

17th Apr 2007, 11:34

Thanks.
@Thilo: that´s actually where I learned the basics from. Studying the pics of your old Nova model has taught me a lot. Thanks again. ;)

@all: Here´s an illuminated version. The colors are only temporary but the idea will stay the same.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7858/tngnovavariant2collagesbp7.jpg (http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4259/tngnovavariant2collagebxu5.jpg)
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4259/tngnovavariant2collagebxu5.jpg

ST-One

17th Apr 2007, 13:26

Thanks.
@Thilo: that´s actually where I learned the basics from. Studying the pics of your old Nova model has taught me a lot. Thanks again. ;)

Yes, how wrong the shape of my nacelles are ;)

@all: Here´s an illuminated version. The colors are only temporary but the idea will stay the same.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7858/tngnovavariant2collagesbp7.jpg (http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4259/tngnovavariant2collagebxu5.jpg)
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4259/tngnovavariant2collagebxu5.jpg

Looks good. :thumb: I´d keep it.

lennier1

17th Apr 2007, 17:12

^^ Just call it a variant and be done with it. That gives you more freedom anyway.

Here´s a small taste of things to come. Not too fond of the bridge area but that can easily be changed.
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7128/tngnovavariant2collagesra3.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9141/tngnovavariant2collagebnz0.jpg)
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4726/tngnovavariant2orthossmud4.jpg (http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1859/tngnovavariant2orthosbihp2.jpg)
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9141/tngnovavariant2collagebnz0.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1859/tngnovavariant2orthosbihp2.jpg

NBTrekie

17th Apr 2007, 18:01

Sweet, I realy like the progress. More, please!

Freak

19th Apr 2007, 09:10

I agree very nice.

jimi kane

19th Apr 2007, 12:53

Mmm... I dont know if its just because its a plain lookin oval shape or not, bu tI think your right bout the bridge, it just looks off somehow imo. Nacelles look good btw.

Lonewriter

19th Apr 2007, 18:14

It's coming along nicely. I think the problem with the bridge is, it looks to flat from the front view of the ship.

BorgMan

19th Apr 2007, 22:08

I'm not sure about the warp grilles. I share the concern that they look long. I'd shorten them a little bit on both sides,and move the fins a little bit more to the back to fill the nacelle a bit up so that it doesn't look that empty.

captainkirk

20th Apr 2007, 17:27

Although it's not incredibly detailed yet, the design is very good.

Starship

21st Apr 2007, 23:38

Very nice budy! ;)

cooloneinca 2224

21st Apr 2007, 23:52

cool awsome

lennier1

22nd Apr 2007, 12:54

Thanks. Playing around with a different superstructure idea (a shape seen on the Insurrection Runabout) but I´m not satisfied with that one either:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8818/tngnovavariant2cir7.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8818/tngnovavariant2cir7.jpg)http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4541/tngnovavariant2toplb0.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4541/tngnovavariant2toplb0.jpg)

jimi kane

22nd Apr 2007, 19:57

Now that one is strange, looks like a spoon. :D

lennier1

22nd Apr 2007, 20:12

^^
Here´s the sketch that brought it on:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4584/talonpy5.th.gif (http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4584/talonpy5.gif)

And speaking of shuttles: It´s a shame Stuart never finished the other views of that design because it would make a great heavy-duty shuttle for ships with limited space like this:
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5493/heavyshuttlewa4.th.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5493/heavyshuttlewa4.jpg)

And I´m sure those who remember my older attempts will know why I´d like to give this one a second chance:
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7956/paulcargileaerowingyh5.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7956/paulcargileaerowingyh5.jpg)

BorgMan

22nd Apr 2007, 22:44

Lennier, give me a ring when you need ideas for that shuttle, I suppose you want something like the waverider? Anyway, let me know :)

lennier1

23rd Apr 2007, 19:20

Thanks for the offer but I´d actually like to stick to those two. Paul´s Aerowing design for the underside of the saucer and a multi-purpose heavy-duty shuttle based on Stuart´s dropship design.

Stumbled over an interesting sketch but while that bridge module does look great it probably won´t fit this design:
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4012/hikarucb4.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4012/hikarucb4.jpg)

BorgMan

23rd Apr 2007, 21:29

Well if you never try, then you never know ;) You can always fiddle around with it, who knows :)

Freak

24th Apr 2007, 08:49

Now that a nice little shuttle.

lennier1

22nd Feb 2009, 21:06

Guess it´s time for a little necro-post! :D

Anybody still remember this little guy?
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4382/pointeririshman.th.gif (http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4382/pointeririshman.gif)

Maybe now?
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7956/pointer2small.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8413/pointer2big.jpg)

Ambient occlusion in the diffuse channel causes some weird effects (like that bright freak photon) but the details should be easy to spot.

And here´s a sligtly older color revision (temp materials) to show more than some boring clay:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8525/pointerupdate1.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8525/pointerupdate1.jpg)

Thanks again to my pal NBTrekie for kicking my ass with his Daedalus: link (http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-wips/17256-my-little-bunch-wips-new-post.html)
Feels good to be back in action. ;)

Melak

23rd Feb 2009, 01:53

Thats looking good!
...I dont recall that design what is it?

somacruz145

23rd Feb 2009, 06:30

It's a fan-made design (as far as I remember there was also the NV class and some more small non-canon vessels).
Anyway, I had no idea that the ship will look that good in 3D ! The mesh itself is very clean and nicely detailed too. :thumb:

Flanker

23rd Feb 2009, 14:48

Wow that is indeed quite a nice job in the Pointer class corvette. Already wondered if someone eventually would use it as a template for a 3d model. Looking forward to seeing it textured.

B.J.

23rd Feb 2009, 17:56

I remember that one! Nice work! Somacruz, you almost got it right. Irishman redeveloped a design that was originally drawn by Rick Sternbach for his Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology book (1979).

Freak

23rd Feb 2009, 22:51

Now that very nice.

As for talking aobut Irishman, I not seen him around for some time now.

Aresius

23rd Feb 2009, 22:55

looks good.

Ozylot

23rd Feb 2009, 23:16

It's a cool design, although those inward facing wingtip things kinda bother me. The modeling is excellent though!

lennier1

24th Feb 2009, 00:17

Thanks guys. Finally nailed down those stupid nacelle pylons. Keep in mind that the materials are only stand-ins.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1427/entpointerclass3d.th.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1427/entpointerclass3d.jpg)

Starship

24th Feb 2009, 00:57

Hi Michael!
That´s what I call a necropost... :D
Seriouslly, welcome back! Don´t stand away for to much time again. ;)

stephan_ska

24th Feb 2009, 16:23

Thats a nice one.

[Irishman]

27th Feb 2009, 14:01

Now that very nice.

As for talking aobut Irishman, I not seen him around for some time now.

*drowsily raises his head off the table*

er? huh?

Did someone, somewhere, say my name?

I'm here. :)

Hey, Lennier, guess what?

lennier1

27th Feb 2009, 17:46

Welcome back. Hope you like what you´re seeing.

Any changes you want to have made in the upcoming updates? After all it´s been quite a while and you might have changed your opinion on some detail.

BTW: Did you ever get around to addiing more details to this baby?
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachments/2d-wips/2043d1148487467-assorted-trek-artwork-nx-01pre-warp5.jpg

In the meantime here´s a close-up of the nacelle pylon (gotta love mental ray´s "Override Material" option).
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1989/pylon.th.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1989/pylon.jpg)

It´s finally weekend and time to work on it again. As you can see, even though it´s a great design there´s still a lot of room for additional details.

More details on the rim:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7655/entpointerclass3a.th.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7655/entpointerclass3a.jpg)http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5056/entpointerclass3c.th.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5056/entpointerclass3c.jpg)

[Irishman]

28th Feb 2009, 13:28

Yeah, I've been working on what I imagine a Block 2 revision in the Romulan War period might look like.

Some things I've changed for that version include:

A Spherical Tokamak reactor,
Outboard phase cannon emplacements attached where the nacelles are now,
Uprated nacelles repositioned out to the ends of the wings.

[Irishman]

28th Feb 2009, 13:38

Here are some sneak peeks of what I'm doing to the Pointer refit.

lennier1

28th Feb 2009, 13:53

Interesting. Sort of like how Flanker based his Manta Ray on your plans but still different.
I´m currently working on the RCS thrusters and will post some pics later on.

[Irishman]

28th Feb 2009, 14:12

Today? :)

lennier1

28th Feb 2009, 15:06

Still need to place some on the wings.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/747/entpointerclass4a.th.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/747/entpointerclass4a.jpg)

[Irishman]

28th Feb 2009, 15:10

I'm not sold on the saucer rim sensor pallete. It seems a bit out of place on such a small ship, cramped in tight with the gangway/EVA hatch. Maybe a bit further to the right?

lennier1

28th Feb 2009, 15:44

Depends. OTOH it creates an evenly spaced pattern with the other gaps and leaves enough space for bigger rooms inside.

[Irishman]

28th Feb 2009, 15:57

Well, if we assume that the actual sensor machinery/computer systems are larger than the collection/transmission apertures on the pallete (which seems reasonable to me), then there may not be room for it to be that close to a major ingress/egress port.

lennier1

28th Feb 2009, 16:35

Even then it´s not that big. The hatch on the movie Enterprise´s torpedo deck was pretty narrow as well and included a bent section. And unlike that one the Pointer doesn´t even have big sliding doors but simply pressure doors instead. Not worth changing the geometry.
I´d be more worried about placing details on top of the docking chamber because ENT has shown that the docking collar can extend up to a certain point using a telescope section.

[Irishman]

28th Feb 2009, 16:49

Good eye, Tuck!

lennier1

1st Mar 2009, 14:15

^^
Did I mention how much I hate greebles?
Finished the details from the schematics. Now it´s on to more details to bring it on par with the Akiraprise.
Still debating whether to add some low-detail rooms and shuttle bay or not.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4271/entpointerclass4c.th.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4271/entpointerclass4c.jpg)http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6804/entpointerclass4d.th.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6804/entpointerclass4d.jpg)

The guys over at 3DSF have convinced me to go the extra mile.

To Do:
- inspection pod
- shuttlepod
- shuttle bay /cargo bay
- small crew quarters
- mess hall
- airlock control cabin

Just when I thought I was finished with the geometry I decide to add greebles which have their own greebles ...

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/607/enterainspectionpod1a.th.jpg (http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/607/enterainspectionpod1a.jpg)http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3950/enterainspectionpod1b.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3950/enterainspectionpod1b.jpg)

[Irishman]

2nd Mar 2009, 20:58

Oooooooooh, I bow to your modelling expertise!

lennier1

2nd Mar 2009, 21:52

Not really. Actually there´s several inaccuracies but since the pod will only be a background object that won´t matter much.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2865/enterainspectionpod2a.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2865/enterainspectionpod2a.jpg)http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1339/enterainspectionpod2by.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1339/enterainspectionpod2by.jpg)