NCC-1701-E

[IRML]

well it's time for me to post this here, I started this a long time ago, many of the renders you'll see here are between 1 and 2 years old, all my renders were uploaded to a site which was on aceman's server so I lost them, I've got a limit of 5 uploads at the moment so I'll do another post with the rest

most of the images in this post should be pretty self explanitory, there's one of the deflector and the details you see in first contact, one with a fully modelled lifeboat (it's 100% complete now but there are some details missing in that render, it's the best I could dig up) there's one with the nacelle details close up, one with most of the models in the display cabinet (there are a few more that I completed later) and one with the baked illumination for the observation lounge, the illumination map has been updated since that render, LWs image baker was crap back then so I spent 21 hours rendering out one that wasn't grainy

more to come...

[Jedilaw]

Yikes. You even modeled the models inside the model. How very meta!

You just know you're going to get someone asking you to do a tutorial on this one...

[PixelMagic]

That's awesome. However, the specular maps on the nacelle seem a bit too much.

[Unimatrix01]

Nice.... Cant wait to see more!

[IRML]

That's awesome. However, the specular maps on the nacelle seem a bit too much.well they were like 2 years ago, remember I lost all the recent renders and there's not much chance I'll get them back, so the model has changed a lot since

[JeffrySG]

well I can't really comment on the accuracy but the modeling and renders look beautiful! amazing job mate!!! well done!

cheers!
Jeff

[BolianAdmiral]

As always, simply awesome... top-notch detail work!

[IRML]

alright here's the next lot of images, one with the latest render of the saucer that I can find but even that one is a couple of months old, still a big thanks to REL777 for digging that one up for me, there's a proper render of the observation lounge, a detail shot of the torpedo launcher on the saucer, a render of the finished lifeboat with all the details and textures in place, and a full render of the ship so you can get an idea of it, but that's quite an old one too

anyway just to point out any errors you might see in these renders will be fixed now because they are still quite old, also I did have a render of the lounge with some display textures on the screens, but you can probably guess I lost that one

[agelshaxe]

Everywhere I look there is nothing but awesomeness!

[IRML]

here's the final set of attachments for now, one very old one just to show you the stencil details on the saucer panels, which didn't show up on the render in the last post, and another is an animation of the gasses in the bussards, for this I used procedural textures and surface thickness gradients, then some point lights and sub surface scattering, I think it gives a pretty good effect of 3D gass in there

hopefully the next time I post a render it'll be an up-to-date one

[CDEMASTER]

Looks fantastic. Can you model the bathroom???:D

It's the only interior that you never see. What's the poly count on that thing?

CDEMASTER

[IRML]

the observation lounge is about 40000 faces, most of that is the chairs and the little ship models, the rest of the ship is about 450000 so far, the lifeboats are about 9000 each, which will be a lot when you consider there's 180 on the whole ship

[JoeRalat]

looks very very very very sweeeeeeet

[MichaelS]

Outstanding! This one's a beauty already.

[Choo1701]

looking might, mighty fine ;)

[PixelMagic]

That buzzard test was awesome. So, do you plan on finishing this ship?

[IRML]

That buzzard test was awesome. So, do you plan on finishing this ship?nope, I plan on leaving it half done :p

[jay-mo]

There is no way i could have missed this for two years. You've been hiding this from us. Admit it! Seriously, I really had no idea you were building this. last thing I saw from you was the Voyager. Nice work man.

[Nayslayer]

ahh so you finally decided to post this. Looks fantastic as always Dave. :)

[Enterprise-E]

Yay, IRML is making the Enterprise-E

detail me well... :-)

[Superrobster]

Wow, this is amazing! I can't wait to see more updates.

[Tallguy]

Looks like it's time to fire up the IDC. With the emphasis on the "I" part.

[Pearse]

fanboymode= OMG THAT'S AMAZING

Seriously, this is the kind of insanely detailed model I'd make if I actually knew my Y axis from my elbow.

[Countdown5]

OH MY GOD!!! WHY HAVE I NOT SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE. This is beyong Amazing work.

[Dr-Timelord]

wow.


Nothing short of pure amazement

[REL777]

Absolutely gorgeous! Best ship there is.

[Martocticvs]

Aaaah finally she puts in an appearance here. Well you know what I think, it's a load of rubbish. Really, it is. I mean, you're out by at least a millimetre all over the place! Really quite shoddy.

Then again, I could be joking. So it's actually not too bad.

[Meshfan]

IRML, you have got to be THE BEST modeler on Sci Fi Meshes. I pratically pissed in my shorts while looking at your models and renders! I can't believe you rendered the interior of the Enterprise E as well as the exterior!

I can't wait till you finish! Modeling and rendering does not get better than this.

[Jonny Boy]

IRML, I am in awe. I hope that one day I might be able to at least try to imitate you. That is some outstanding work! I can't wait to see this finished.

[Meshfan]

nope, I plan on leaving it half done :p


*falls off chair*

SERIOUSLY??!!

:eek: :eek:

[Nayslayer]

internet sarcasm. gotta love it ;)

[Ainur]

OOO I dream of the day I can do things like this. Excellent work, IRML. Simply excellent. Also interesting to see you texture while you model. Usually I see people wait until modeling is done. Interesting. I hope this goes even beyond what I see here.

[Meshfan]

internet sarcasm. gotta love it ;)


I am so gullible sometimes.................

:D :D

[Arioch]

The observation loungue looks outstanding. Excellent work.

[Martocticvs]

You wait until you see his crew quarters.

[Brian2103]

That is an excellent ship, and an even better observation lounge. Keep up the good work. I look forward the the rest of the interiors... I'm a junkie for them. :)

[Brickhead]

It's all good, very good waiting on more

[tooie32]

wow thats amasing:eek:

I like the way ya made the obervation lounge to make the look more realistic when ya look into the window.


I bet this will be a highly detailed Enterprise E I have ever seen.

Great job

Carl

[Samurai]

I think I remember this one from that other place. ;)

[Mauiman]

Absolutely gorgeous! Best ship there is.
Speaking of wich, Where is your thread on your Enterprise E model bro? I am so much into it.

[BlueRaa]

Good job here. Love the fact that you are mdelling the actual Bussard collectors themselves rahter than just the glass (or whatever it is!) covering that we usually see. Sweet.

[mikala]

Very meticulously detailed version.
Hope to see more of this when you have a chance to update.

[Doomsponge]

Holy mother of God it's the best thing ever...

[CSpaced]

Fantastic work, that interior itself is a work of art.

[mattc]

Whatever, Dave.

M

[EBOLII]

Wow the details are exquisite! I am looking forward to viewing more of this

[Ze Aratloss]

Man I am falling in love with you! Your doing my favourite ship of all time with an immense amout of detail. Wow!!! Keep it up I wont take my eyes off of it.

[Captain Boh]

I could have sworn I posted here already...

Looks good, took my a while to find the images though, I came in from the back looking for the most up to date :p

[Lee80]

Very nice :D

[TheGreatRaja]

Yeah, but it needs more Pipes :)

[Galen]

This model is amazing! Simply breathtaking!!

[EBOLII]

more pipes?? I don't get it......

[Admiral Danev]

WOW!!!!!!!!

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[kai_joshu]

Simply amazing! I love the minor details that were put in. Do you plan on doing other sections of E? The bridge, or main engineering perhaps? Sovereign class is one of my favorites, next to the Galaxy. Hope to see this one when its done!

[Alec Trevelyan]

Have I mentioned lately that you're entirely insane and I love it?;)

[SnowCrash]

definitely more pipes!!

[Comco]

Hot DAMN man! This looks quite simply incredible...Question though - With the baked textures, how long does it take to render an exerior close-up of the saucer with the interior showing? (Similar to the shots in the first lot of attachments...).

How the hell you are going to render this thing once it's finished I don't know...But at the rate you're going, but 2010 when the thing's finished, we'll probably be using 12-core 16Ghz CPUs anyway. ;)

Seriously, this is mind blowing work.

[IRML]

it doesn't take very long, depends on the lighting setup really, but adding the lounge makes virtually no hit on any render times at all

[r4mir3zx]

Enterprise E: as Excellent work, IRML! :>

[Captain Donarr]

Two words: HOLY MACARONI

Is this going to be as detailed as the Intrepid Class you started? If so, you've got you're work cut out.

[Captain Donarr]

Two words: HOLY MACARONI!! :D

Is this going to be as detailed as the Intrepid Class you started? If so, you've got you're work cut out.

[scaramanga]

hmmmm

I've got a lot left to learn. :D

Don't mind learning though ;)

[Romu]

I agree about the pipes :p

[IRML]

big thanks to romu for digging up some of the newer WIP renders, here you can see the shuttlebay doors open and closed, and one of the lifeboat bays, when the lifeboats have been ejected, I'm also uploading an old one of the observation lounge because you can see a little bit of the display texture in it

[Aethernaut]

Delicious!

[tooie32]

nice work on both the doors and the escape pod hatches. If ya going to make the nemesis version of the enterprise e the center door needs to be changed.


Carl

[IRML]

nice work on both the doors and the escape pod hatches. If ya going to make the nemesis version of the enterprise e the center door needs to be changed.could you try and be more specific

[Freak]

Holy Crap! This is amazing! One of the best if not the best WIP on the site at the moment! Aceman get the header back up, so this can be header! :D

[UnWantedSoldier]

my god, i think you have taken the term "insane detail" to a whole new level with this one :eek:

[SnowCrash]

As we are recovering WIP images for this mesh here's an older version of the nacelles from a while back.

[baxart]

*can't talk; jaw has fallen through floor and is half way to China*
Amazing!!!!

[Fly]

This is incredible! Cant think of anything else to say...Im in awe....

The animation of the gases in the bussard just blew me away.

[Michael-Adam]

this is just.......wow! its....really....am speechless! the level of detail! you are good man!

[Lonewolf]

This will possibly, THE most detailled Sovereign ever.
The amount of details put into this is simply amazing.

[SGA-3D]

This will possibly, THE most detailled Sovereign ever.
The amount of details put into this is simply amazing.

Definitely the most detailed yet. Superb work:) .

[ns_exile]

Holy *insert expletive of your choice here*!!!!!

I am totally amazed at the detail you've put into this thing, it looks absolutely fantastic.

You're one of the head modellers at ILM, right? C'mon, you can tell us... :)

[Tallguy]

You're one of the head modellers at ILM, right? C'mon, you can tell us... :)I think if that were the case it would have 1/4 the detail but be done in a week. ;)

[Vulcan]

[Jack O'neill] Niiice! [/Jack O'neill]

Beautiful modelling, mate. I especially like the aft torpedo launcher.

[lennier1]

I´m not much of a fan of the design itself but I really like how you combined the three big TNG design styles (John Eaves, Andrew Probert and Rick Sternbach).

[Nell 3D]

more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates! more updates!........... Sorry

[Mr. Wilde]

Definitely the most detailed yet. Superb work:) .
Not only detailed. It's ACCURATE!!!

[REL777]

This is getting better and better

[sovrane]

Man! This is Crazy detailed. This is so... I am spechless

[SteveH]

Most impressive work! I suppose you are going to model the aztech pattern too? ;)

[Tallguy]

No, he's going to model the guys that put the ship together, and they'll model the aztecs.

[Jedilaw]

As we are recovering WIP images for this mesh here's an older version of the nacelles from a while back.

Pardon my ignorance, but if the mesh itself is on IRML's drive, why not just do some current renders? The suspense is killing me.

[Lonewriter]

me likes alot...

[Auralis]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
/me bows to the master.

As usual, truly inspirational work IRML, just plain outstanding.

[Ze Aratloss]

Hey I just notice that the last outside view of the observation lounge you mad the Nemesis mod in it. Could we see a render of different angles from the inside of the modded observation lounge with activated screens if its possible? Details are incredible and accurate, I am a big fan on small details and your are nailling it good!

[Don Gaiser]

My god man, if you are not doing this professionally, then you should be. I am totally amazed by your work!!

[mattc]

and the vultures begin to circle...

edit: and that tooie person was correct, the shuttle bay door is wrong.

[REL777]

nice work on both the doors and the escape pod hatches. If ya going to make the nemesis version of the enterprise e the center door needs to be changed.


Carl

Yep, it's one big door in the middle and 3 small door on each side. An easy fix for him though.

[Ze Aratloss]

Yep, it's one big door in the middle and 3 small door on each side. An easy fix for him though.

Yup one big door under the observation deck. Look at this drwaing.

[mattc]

even that production sketch doesn't reflect the model in the film accurately. There's issues with the control booth and a few other things.

m.

[eatrains]

Simply amazing!

[IRML]

the door is one big door, just because you see it open all at once doesn't mean it's not there

[Comco]

As we are recovering WIP images for this mesh here's an older version of the nacelles from a while back.

Nick, are you're converting this baby? You are a brave, brave man. :)

[SnowCrash]

It keeps me off the streets.

Actually, the parts I've had so far have been pretty good. Certainly a lot easier than Dave's D.

[aszazeroth]

Top notch work, as usual !

[Freak]

Looks Dam impressive!

Comco, I know Aceman is buzy geting the site back up and running. But Any Idea when the header will be back? This thing needs to be headed.

[DarthMaya]

Stop making this look so cool!:D Amazing work IRML.

[Sledgehammer]

Simply astonishing...the sheer level of detail makes me realise how much I've still got to learn. And that Bussard gas test was a thing of beauty.

[Comco]

Freak: (I can call you Freak can't I? ;)) That is a custom mod that has to be installed and therefore is completely and soley(sp?) in Ace's capable hands...I ain't even gonna try that myself...You don't want to loose the forums all over again do you? I don't think I could handle the emotional torment! ;)

I imagine it is reasonably high on Ace's list though. Shouldn't be too far away...:)

Sorry, IRML...Back to you man!

[Jairen]

This is spectacular. Great work.

[ZeeverFett]

that's pretty cool Dave! :)

[Hitman]

This is absolutely spectacular. Excellent work.

[ns_exile]

I think if that were the case it would have 1/4 the detail but be done in a week. ;)


Yer right, I shoudn't insult this work of art like that. I retract my ILM statement. :)

[Cerberus]

This is Incredible!!! The best Ent E i have seen!!! :D i love it.

[johneaves]

Nice work, Your stuff rocks!!!! drop me a line if you need any photo references to the "E" sets.
john

[crackpatch]

This is Incredible!!! The best Ent E i have seen!!! :D i love it.

Then you haven't seen Rel777's ent-e wip before the crash :p

[Alec Trevelyan]

Nice work, Your stuff rocks!!!! drop me a line if you need any photo references to the "E" sets.
john

John--I think we'd ALL love to see those! I love the Generations/First Contact Sketchbook, but those fantastic two-page spreads are totally ruined by the book's spine! I actualy broke mine in the middle to see the full shot of the bridge. Mmm, goodness :)

[REL777]

Then you haven't seen Rel777's ent-e wip before the crash :p

Thank you! I reposted the thread, it's in my signature.

Actually I've gotten a lot of help as far as reference etc from a few members of this board.

John Eaves, your design for the Ent E is the coolest Star Trek ship yet.

[Jedilaw]

Allow me to second that opinion! I'd go so far as to rank the Enterpise E among the best starship designs in any series. John, I would put you right up there with Joe Johnston, Nilo Rodis, and Matt Jeffries for starship designers.

Returning to slightly more OT matters: when are we going to see large-scale renders of the entire Mesh as it currently exists? We've seen lots of stunning bits and pieces, but I am itching to see the whole ship.

Pretty please? :D

[IRML]

well I'll be spending the next few days finishing off another model which I should have done a while ago, then I'll get back to this one

[AndyM]

Excellent work, look forward to seeing more renders.

[Binkerman]

One word >> Dedication << .... First Class work !! ....

Jas

[Kronos 1]

Great Googly Moogly! The detail is just sick... Can't wait to see the finished product!

[largo]

Wow, that is really terrible







naw not really, that is god damn amazing

[Isidor]

Somebody has obviously got a LOT of spare time.... :D
Lookin' good ;)

[I_E_Maverick]

breathtaking and really stunning work. absolutly pro!

[TheGreatRaja]

granted renders of the whole Big E will probably take days in itself

[scifieric]

I ... I can't believe I missed this thread! You modeled the lights inside the warp engine bussards! The conference room is a wonderful model in and of itself and I'm only on page two ... I've got so much catch up reading and joy to inhale.

IRML, great work.

[scifieric]

No, he's going to model the guys that put the ship together, and they'll model the aztecs.
Tallguy, thanks for the chuckle!

[admiral horton]

i like what i see cant wait til its finish

note:use to be Enterprise-G and very glad to see the forums back up and running

[lt paul]

This is going to be the Absolute Definitive Enterprise-E when you finish it. It doesn't seem like your leaving anything for the textures to do. You should really try to give them a chance too ;), Equal opportunity and all.

[TheGreatRaja]

the rate he's going it'll be IF he finishes... Sort of the Never ending Project

[Master Eki]

No matter how long he takes...it'll be spectacular! Kind of like the Cistene Chapel of meshes...may take years, but it'll be pure art!

[sovrane]

Ok This is just Awesome. But my question is, did u make those Details from your mind or do you have the original blueprints? For real. I am very interested in doing details like these

[Nayslayer]

Maybe he just watched the movie a billion times. lol

[Zasurus]

WOW! Truly amazing! Models like this are what inspired me to come back! :) Keep up the good work.

Zasurus

[Mauiman]

So when will this beauty be completed? and When will Rel's be completed?

[John Sheppard]

Hmmm, you (Mauiman) should ask: Will this beast EVER be completed? Cause IRML seems to deserve a special place for doing this job - he should be called MEMBER OF THE INSANE DETAIL CLUB.

[Samurai]

He is.

[SnowCrash]

oh no he isn't.......

oh, my mistake, yes he is.......

And i reckon it will be finished when it's finished. I know it's pretty low detail low poly work but it's still time consuming :)

[NickatNite]

Very awsome! The breifing room on page 2 is one of the best interiors I have ever seen. I thought the thumbnail was a reff pic from a movie!

[Nutsy]

Great work IRML... I really like the busard effect. Thought I think the hot and cold spots on it could be a little more contrasted... [IE the dark bits darker and the light bits lighter] :) Still looks very cool

[scifieric]

Uh, Nutsy? That is just the most disturbing avatar I have ever seen! LOL!

I can't wait to see this whole thing done. It's already increadible!

[Nutsy]

Also just saw some of the interious pics... AGHHH damn thats high detail :D though i exspect nothing less... Really stunning.

And yeah eric i found it and had to have it :D

[Master Eki]

Oh, this thread really has to be bumped up...

How's the progress coming???

[psycho]

don't you think he would post updates, if there were any worth mentioning, without you bumping his thread?

[IRML]

correct, if I did have any updates to show they would already be in the thread

[mattc]

idiots.

[Master Eki]

It's not idiocy to give a compliment for good work by bumping a thread to let new users see what's been done so far.

[chrono]

It's not idiocy to give a compliment for good work by bumping a thread to let new users see what's been done so far.
It is when a simple PM to the thread author would've done the same.

Just avoid bumping threads more then 2 weeks old next time. ;)

[Jedilaw]

Attaaaaaaack of the Necrooooooooos...

[lennier1]

We really should have a strict warning for necroposting cases (maybe two thirds of the points needed for a 48 hour ban).

@Dave: Considering your account status it&#180;s probably best if you lock the thread until your next post or else it&#180;ll get bumped even more than it already has.

[IRML]

well I don't want to put people off posting in my own thread, this is the first time it's happened to this one anyway

[aladin]

Splendid !!!

All of them

[Master Eki]

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone or pee in their cornflakes. I've been on the internet since 1994 and, until today, had never even heard the term "necroposting" before. Next time I'll keep my mouth shut.

[Countdown5]

Whats your render time with something like this?

[chrono]

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone or pee in their cornflakes. I've been on the internet since 1994 and, until today, had never even heard the term "necroposting" before. Next time I'll keep my mouth shut.
Controlling necro-posting(posting in threads not updated for about a month) is to allow for people to get their new projects viewed before it becomes second & third page news within a matter of minutes. This is something that happens on all busy boards.

So don't stop posting! Just be abit more moderate about things. ;)

[Comco]

Guys, the reason you will not find any mention of Necroposting in the forum TOS (Terms of Service) - Read: The Rules, is because the are not banned. Some people hate them, sure. But think about this:

You guys have now spent 11(!!) posts and an entire page bitching / complaining / discussing a single necro post instead of discussing the actual topic of the thread. Isn't THAT more stupid than the actual exsistance of the necro-post in the first place?

You get annoyed by necro-posting? Fine...Do one of two things:

1) Read the post. Get annoyed. Leave the thread. Simply leave it.

Or

2) Send the necro-poster a PM and talk to them about your dislike of the practise...You'll find that many 'offenders' won't even know they've done something that some of you consider 'wrong'. The result? No polluting of the thread with that crap and possibly one less necro-poster in the future.

Please don't go expecting the staff to be handing out heavy-handed warnings on this issue, because unless the other Admins feel very strongly that this issue should be treated with the same level of severity as abusive posts, mesh theft and personal attacks, it isn't going to happen.

The thread is yours, IRML. :)

[Mauiman]

Don't stop now Mr T. You are doing good.

[Countdown5]

You guys have now spent 11(!!) posts and an entire page bitching / complaining / discussing a single necro post instead of discussing the actual topic of the thread.


Im not... :D

Still wondering about render time on this... And also what kind of output effects he is using.

[T'rel Katar]

wow amazing work, keep going with it. I can't wait to see it completed

[TerranCmdr]

:eek!: ............... buh.

[Tachyon]

Awesome dude. I liked the details for the lifeboat. Always wanted to know what it looked like ever since I watched ST First Contact. When I first saw them in the movie it looked like a grand piano floating in space. Now I can finally see the lifeboat details.

Really cool!!

[Tochiro76]

You know what would be really nice to see is the bridge area because I cannot find any blueprints for it anywhere and I wonder what the differences are between the first contact version and the nemesis version. If you do make the bridge area please don't include that cheapy looking thrustmaster joystick coming out of the floor from insurrection lol that was so lame when they did that.

Have you ever seen the million poly sovereign by paul trenkler? It was hosted here on scifi-meshes a while back and still floats around some other places. Of course he didn't model all the interior stuff like you did and so far what I've seen looks awesome:-)

[Michael_T]

Good grief!! If only we can build AMT models like yours...

[mattc]

Have you ever seen the million poly sovereign by paul trenkler? It was hosted here on scifi-meshes a while back and still floats around some other places. Of course he didn't model all the interior stuff like you did and so far what I've seen looks awesome:-)

Of course we've all seen it. And Dave is well aware of the inaccuracies and how far off it is (meaning no disrespect to paul, of course.)

M.

[IRML]

Still wondering about render time on this... And also what kind of output effects he is using.render time is like 30 minutes at 1280x1024 with radiosity and a ray traced distance light, I use LWs own glows for output effects at the moment, although I don't see why that's important because these are just WIP images

and no I'm not doing the bridge, I'm only doing interiors that can be seen from the outside, the bridge is completely covered

[Countdown5]

Thanks

[DarkDefiant]

IRML you are crazy genious its there a chance to share some of the awesome
meshes???????????????????????????????????????????? ??

[Nayslayer]

are you retarded or something?

this better be a joke

[Choo1701]

IRML you are crazy genious its there a chance to share some of the awesome
meshes???????????????????????????????????????????? ??

yeah. just gotta find the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, and a pristine copy of the Star Wars Holiday Special first ;)

truthfully: its up to IRML :)

[IRML]

I do share my models, I'm just very selective about who I give them to, if you need to ask me for it then you probably aren't one of my selection, most of those who are getting the model should already know who they are

[Jedilaw]

So, other than Jesus Christ Himself, who's on the list? j/k

[Nayslayer]

Mr. T ofcourse. ;)

[Nutsy]

Starwars Xmas special in pristine condision... Thats a tough one. You know I think Gorge Lucas has had an active quest to distroy every single known copy of that program thats ever been made.

Though its likly that one is sitting in the LWT archives in london.

[Jedilaw]

But only because of his great amount of pity for the fools...

[al3d]

So, other than Jesus Christ Himself, who's on the list? j/k


Me, Mattc, ....and oh..no lawyers unforunaly..;)...specialy one who use Max...LOL...we are true Trek fans, so we use LW..;)

[Tochiro76]

EEEEEEWWWW!!! dimlightwave sucks lol... annoying interface and cost a lot too.

[IRML]

it certainly doesn't cost a lot, and for someone who has max listed as their primary app I think you should know better than that, or did you not pay for it?

[XFozzboute]

Starwars Xmas special in pristine condision... Thats a tough one. You know I think Gorge Lucas has had an active quest to distroy every single known copy of that program thats ever been made.

Though its likly that one is sitting in the LWT archives in london.

He'll have to pay up big time if he wants my copy.

[Samurai]

I do share my models, I'm just very selective about who I give them to, if you need to ask me for it then you probably aren't one of my selection, most of those who are getting the model should already know who they are

If I pretend to be french will I get a copy? ;)

/injoke :)

[al3d]

If I pretend to be french will I get a copy? ;)

/injoke :)


LOL

[IRML]

If I pretend to be french will I get a copy? ;)

/injoke :)
pretend?!?! we all know you really are french greg lol :p

[lennier1]

pretend?!?! we all know you really are french greg lol :pDid you really have to use such an extreme insult? :D

[Choo1701]

If I pretend to be french will I get a copy? ;)

/injoke :)

yeah, just be careful of headbutts.....:D :flippy: [/ordinary folk joke]

[Samurai]

Explanation:

In no way is anything I have said an insult to any of our french browsers here- its just recalling a fairly funny mixup between me, a few members, and another Greg who was fairly persistent in his desire to have sex with Dave's Ent D- who happened to be french....

:shiner:

[Nayslayer]

lol wtf? thats some funny ****.

[Choo1701]

Explanation:

In no way is anything I have said an insult to any of our french browsers here- its just recalling a fairly funny mixup between me, a few members, and another Greg who was fairly persistent in his desire to have sex with Dave's Ent D- who happened to be french....

:shiner:

my apoligise. :(


(p.s: better keep the starship bits within small circles of friends.... :eek: ...)

[SnowCrash]

lol - Greg's circle of friends..........:)

[Samurai]

Oh yeah- I hang around with a right bunch of oddball's online. ;)

[JustinDixon]

looks good, Ruined

[mattc]

Oh yeah- I hang around with a right bunch of oddball's online. ;)

Probably best not to mention the 'Fox' then. ;)

M.

[TheGreatRaja]

Probably best not to mention the 'Fox' then. ;)

M.

Bwahahahaha :D

[mikala]

Explanation:

In no way is anything I have said an insult to any of our french browsers here- its just recalling a fairly funny mixup between me, a few members, and another Greg who was fairly persistent in his desire to have sex with Dave's Ent D- who happened to be french....

:shiner:
I have never had any desire to have sexual relations with a machine....

[Samurai]

you may be another Greg, but I'm pretty sure you're not French. :p

Matt: I was doing so well too..... :runs:

[dhwoofter]

IRML, I think what you've done is amazing to say the least. I have been toying around with modeling this ship in lightwave and have wonderful reference photos, but am having some difficulty and was wondering if you could give me a couple pointers. I've been using spline patch modeling and the results are less than desirable, especially in areas such as that I've outlined in your render. What is you process in terms of modeling a ship like this. And the model looks so seamless, I was wondering if all the polygons matched up in the corner areas?

Thank you

[IRML]

I had a hard disk crash a few days ago so I can't show you any wireframes, but I don't use spline cages for my modelling, the saucer before any detailing was one whole piece done with subpatches

[dhwoofter]

Thanks so much. I knew there had to be a better way. But how do you get such uniformity and exactitude?

[efritsch]

Oh wow. I just found this thread and .. damn.

That is awesome.

[Ainur]

Thanks so much. I knew there had to be a better way. But how do you get such uniformity and exactitude?

Very Carefully ;)

IRML:

Most gorgeous Internet Sovereign I have ever seen. I am particularly fond of the way you render your WIP images, which doesnt have much to do with the model itself, but it amuses me sufficiently. :)

[Comco]

exactitude

Oh man we need to start a SFM Dictionary. That is an awesome word! :D

[Mr. Wilde]

LOL, I just imagined Mr. T saying the word "exactitude". :thumb:

[seanr]

LOL, I just imagined Mr. T saying the word "exactitude". :thumb:Ah pity da foo!!!

[homerpalooza67]

great work so far. can u please post more updates?

[IRML]

I had a hard disk crash a few days agowhen it's fixed I'll carry on

[Shadowblade]

Do so! the detail is God like

[tooie32]

Hope ya will be able to finish her I have one thought I was wondering if you can change from making mesh detail on flat surfaces to textures for flat details only that way it will reduce the amount of poly count.


Carl

[IRML]

don't think so, I would have to cut out a square to UV anyway unless I wanted one massive texture for all the decals, which would be a waste of memory, so this way I just have the polys cut into the hull which will ensure the details always stay sharp and won't eat into any texture memory

[Martocticvs]

Dave mate, when are we going to see something of those interiors eh?

[tooie32]

I was thinking more in the line of one detail per texture thats what I was thinking. But tstill that will be an idea for the registries only so other people can put in there own registry if ya planning to release it to us.

Other than that ya still do a great job its only the opinion of mine I am just worried about the registries only the registries once they are modded in there will be no way to change them.

The sovereign class is one of my fav I have been making interiors for it as well some of them.

Carl

[JDR]

Release it to you? Bahahaha. Bahahahahahaha! Bahahahahahahahahahaha!

[JustinDixon]

JDR, get the additude in check, dont be an ass.

[JDR]

I'm not a donkey-like animal at all!

Say...anyone smell donuts?

[JustinDixon]

heh, you know what I meant! :)

[Martocticvs]

Yes JD - don't be a donkey, bad for your health.

As for modelled registries - there are pro's and cons either way. I think in this case - that being the greatly increased quality of the registries and other labels - modelling them is the best way to go. Otherwise you would have to use a pointlessly large texture to come close to the quality of the others (and given the overall quality of the model, if you can't get up close and personal its the wrong choice)

[lennier1]

I just hope the finished model will get a chance to meet a certain Galaxy class. And I don´t mean the SFA version. ;)

[Spry]

I just hope the finished model will get a chance to meet a certain Galaxy class. And I don´t mean the SFA version. ;)

Why whichever version could you mean? :flippy: :p

I can't believe I missed this thread. Aweosme work mate!

[SnowCrash]

Other than that ya still do a great job its only the opinion of mine I am just worried about the registries only the registries once they are modded in there will be no way to change them.

Actually,if you are more than just an F9er it wouldn't be too hard to change. Of course, I hope Dave doesn't release this.

[JustinDixon]

I actually agree, models like this should never be released to the general public, only a very select group that the artist has faith in. That way people do the model justice.

[mattc]

I just hope the finished model will get a chance to meet a certain Galaxy class. And I don´t mean the SFA version. ;)

of course ;)

[homerpalooza67]

I actually agree, models like this should never be released to the general public, only a very select group that the artist has faith in. That way people do the model justice.

I kinda agree with you, but its a shame that many people will not be able to use it. too bad there are so many a**holes who wont give credit where credit is due.

[Trip]

Cant wait for new updates!!!!!:D Hurry give us something :p

[MadKoiFish]

Cant wait for new updates!!!!!:D Hurry give us something :p

When he feels like it. . . .
god I wish this place had a "sage" feature.

[Nayslayer]

Yes JD - don't be a donkey, bad for your health.

As for modelled registries - there are pro's and cons either way. I think in this case - that being the greatly increased quality of the registries and other labels - modelling them is the best way to go. Otherwise you would have to use a pointlessly large texture to come close to the quality of the others (and given the overall quality of the model, if you can't get up close and personal its the wrong choice)

while i agree with you i do have to say the way Dave has the registries set up on his E-D makes its extremely easy to switch out registries.

damn talk about waiting a long time for a reply huh martocticvs? lol:D

[USS Mariner]

Dave, would you be willing to break from canon on one minor detail? Namely, the saucer registries and the lack of the "long dash" that both the 1701 refit and the E-D both have?

edDSC07363 (http://204.2.104.176/karl/christiesaucday01/pages/edDSC07363.htm)

Aside from the final result looking better, it would also better match the fact that nacelles have the long dashes, but the saucer itself didn't. That's just kweer.

[EBOLII]

Dave, would you be willing to break from canon on one minor detail? Namely, the saucer registries and the lack of the "long dash" that both the 1701 refit and the E-D both have?

edDSC07363 (http://204.2.104.176/karl/christiesaucday01/pages/edDSC07363.htm)

Aside from the final result looking better, it would also better match the fact that nacelles have the long dashes, but the saucer itself didn't. That's just kweer.



yeah those are great captures of the original models. Are there other references taken from the auction? I know just about all the studio models were up for bid

[Mauiman]

Don't stop now. Tis looking great

[mattc]

yeah those are great captures of the original models. Are there other references taken from the auction? I know just about all the studio models were up for bid

Who cares. Dave has all the references he could possibly need.

M

[Nayslayer]

:devil: :devil: :devil:

[lennier1]

Who cares. Dave has all the references he could possibly need.

MMainly thanks to some unknown guy from Aussieland who knows a bit more about the original models than just where to find the schematics from the Fact Files. :D

[Samurai]

Don't know where you got that idea from- Dave got all the information not just on the 1701 E, but also on the Galaxy Class and all the other models he's ever attempted from Mr. T....

[lennier1]

^^
And here I thought he got them from studying Martok&#180;s finished Trek models. ;)

Hope we won&#180;get this too far off-topic.

[Phoenix_56]

Its An impressive piece of work

breathtaking if it ever reaches completion

[mattc]

Don't know where you got that idea from- Dave got all the information not just on the 1701 E, but also on the Galaxy Class and all the other models he's ever attempted from Mr. T....

Mr T....what a legend. :)

[ModderMan]

Well it's pretty inpressive :devil:

[Nutsy]

It really sickens me to see how badly the Ent-D was treated :/ even getting dirty water and grease all over it... great way to go out :( Hopfully the new owner will get it carefully restored

[Scotchy]

Well this is about the best looking collection of highly detailed doodads and accurate hull paneling that I've seen in quite a while (if ever). I'm eagerly looking forward to future updates.

On the Christies Auction reference shots: whomever found that image repository is indeed a saint. The original phtographer ould have to be something better than a saint. I can't think of a good name for that. Perhaps a dreamsicle?

On further reference imagery: Where does a man go to find quality reference shots of the Nemesis version of the Sovereign? Or (even harder to find) decent shots of the Pasteur? I've crawled Google image search, Starship Builder, and the major Trek archive sites and have yet to come up with any quality shots. It's depressing.

[mattc]

On further reference imagery: Where does a man go to find quality reference shots of the Nemesis version of the Sovereign?

Mr T says "There aren't any, fool!" :)

M.

[homerpalooza67]

get the dvd?

[Scotchy]

Aye, I have that. Just inquiring of you kind folks to see if there was some motherlode of high quality reference images that I've missed.

I'll just have to make do with my SoTL 2004 spread.

[mattc]

Aye, I have that. Just inquiring of you kind folks to see if there was some motherlode of high quality reference images that I've missed.

I'll just have to make do with my SoTL 2004 spread.

That's the spirit.

M

[Mauiman]

Am I going to see this thing finished at all?
Sorry to be impatent but I just really want to see this sovy completed.

[JDR]

Gah, you know what Necro-Posting is, Mauiman?

[EBOLII]

Who cares. Dave has all the references he could possibly need.

M


I was refering to captures of NON federation built studio models

[EBOLII]

Damn! I have got to start looking at the dates........sorry

[Dr-Timelord]

What makes the 'Nemisis' Ent-E different from the other 2 movies?

I havent seen the films enough to spot the difference

[2cvbloke]

What makes the 'Nemisis' Ent-E different from the other 2 movies?

I havent seen the films enough to spot the difference

Well, the physical ILM model used was shorter as the nacelles were moved forwards for some reason, and there were a few things changed or added, probably just like uprgades or minor refits I guess (but in reality, the modellers probably couldn't stop tinkering with the design!!!)...

I can't find the website where I saw the two models compared side-by-side, but when I do I'll post it here... :D

[SnowCrash]

Additional weapons systems were added to facilitate the chase scene. Primarily a rear facing torpedo launcher and a pair of phaser arrays on each nacelle strut.

[JDR]

the saucer is more blended into the sec hull on the upper side, the nacelles are moved upwards and forwards slightly, and there are extra torpedo launchers and phaser arrays here and there.

[JDR]

Well, the physical ILM model used was shorter as the nacelles were moved forwards for some reason


Actually, the First Contact model came out a bit longer and flatter than the designer wanted. The new mesh built in LW at Digital Domain was "taller" and the nacelles moved forwards, shortening the ship overall slightly.

I like the First Contact version the most though.

[mattc]

(but in reality, the modellers probably couldn't stop tinkering with the design!!!)...



Err, no, John Eaves made all the changes. Jay didn't add anything IIRC.

M

[mattc]

Actually, the First Contact model came out a bit longer and flatter than the designer wanted. The new mesh built in LW at Digital Domain was "taller" and the nacelles moved forwards, shortening the ship overall slightly.

I like the First Contact version the most though.

Correct. The Nemesis version is exactly what John wanted it to be.

M

[mattc]

Meanwhile, Mr T says....

Move along, fools. Nothing to see here.

M.

[JustinDixon]

heh, couldnt put it all into one reply? :devil:
On a side note: Aye, Dave. I'd like to see you work more on her, but it's understandable you've better things to do.

[mattc]

Pish posh......

[IRML]

ok one last time...

exactly 6 months ago to this very day I had a hard disk crash, just as I was getting back into modelling this, but that's life I guess

I only recently got this model transferred to a useable computer again, but I have a couple of other models to do for a project I'm committed to right now, once those are done I'll get back to either this or voyager, probably voyager because it's closer to being finished, and because some people just need to be shown how it's done properly :p then i'll do the sovvy

I doubt you'll be seeing any work on this before february, but I didn't loose anything on it in the hard disk crash except some modelling rhythm, so apart from the 6 month gap the model is fine

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