Tau'ri superbattleship - UNS Achilles

[Alnair]

I'm back! Lots of bad karma in the air for the last weeks... but I'm back!
The Achilles WIP is now in its final stage. Some details will be reworked, some suggestions will be realized, some parts have still to be finished. What I have done so far: Development of the textures and materials has begun, I designed a new and more modern version of the main railguns, I rigged the main batteries for animation, I cursed my fate that doomed me to work on this never-ending project... ;)
What I will do next: I will design a new version of the small railgun batteries (this time they will be retractable and will have some kind of poping up mechanism), I will rigg these batteries too, I will reshape the appearance of the command tower, I will finish the engine section... ;) you see, lots of work still to do!


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles47m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles47.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles48m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles48.jpg)

[Capt Christopher Donovan]

Very nice work! Have you done any othos?

[mikala]

Glad this one came back!
A fresh look to the more square look of the show ships!

[Eoraptor]

Looking great, can't wait to see it finished and rigged in a scene

[Lee80]

WOW!...Glad to see you got your computer working.Cant wait to see how she turns out..:0

[Bar]

The Achilles is back(And better than ever...).
Bar.

[Dallidas]

looking great! when you rework the bridge will you make it asymetrical?

[Alnair]

Very nice work! Have you done any othos?

Not yet! But I was already asked to render some. As soon as the ship is finished orthos will follow.

[Alnair]

looking great! when you rework the bridge will you make it asymetrical?

I think I will elongate and perhaps slightly lower the construction. So the tower won't stand out like a spearhead any longer. Will see if asymmetric design elements can be added.

[t-cast]

Brilliant work - good to see this one back in play.

[aszazeroth]

cool ship... indeed... looking forward to a few more renders ;)

[Auralis]

Yeah! its back and badder then ever.
Beautifull ship Alnair. IT definetly kicks the ship on the show collected asses.

[spunkzilla145]

Any ideas on the approximate size? I'm guessing maybe 1.5 to 2 times the size of the Daedalus?

[Maverick Eagle]

In acient greek myth Achilles was the greatest warrior that ever lived and there greatest hero. Not one man could stand against him in single combat. It was said his mother was a goddess. Before the battle of Troy Achilles was given a choice. Stay home and live a long happy life with family to eventually die and in time be forgotten in history or go to Troy and glory will find him there. His name would echo through time long after others become dim memories or forgotten. He chose glory and his name and exploits has survived through the ages.



Your battleship is really well done and looks armed to the teeth. . please show a animation or a pic of it taking down a mothership or a ori warship so it can live up to its name please...

[Dallidas]

In acient greek myth Achilles was the greatest warrior that ever lived and there greatest hero. Not one man could stand against him in single combat. It was said his mother was a goddess. Before the battle of Troy Achilles was given a choice. Stay home and live a long happy life with family to eventually die and in time be forgotten in history or go to Troy and glory will find him there. His name would echo through time long after others become dim memories or forgotten. He chose glory and his name and exploits has survived through the ages.



Your battleship is really well done and looks armed to the teeth. . please show a animation or a pic of it taking down a mothership or a ori warship so it can live up to its name please...


but achillis ws killed in the battle of troy(the heal!!), so it must have a weakness built into the ship somewhere...

[Maverick Eagle]

the weakness of all ships is mostly there tail.. Best Example was the German Warship the Bismark. Other weak points would be the top of the ship and bridge although some ships might have secondary bridges in case of that.

Warships in space weakness would be the tail were the engines are exposed, parts of the ship that might be structurally weak exposed hangers, windows thinner parts of the ship etc. the bridge most space going warships in sci-fi do not have secondary bridges aside from maybe SW ships the larger ones may have secondary bridges incase the primary was disabled or destroyed. Reactor room which is the weakest point of all space ships but is sometimes the most heavilly armored. Sometimes the neck of some starships. the warships of the klingons too me always looked liked they were screaming for some competent enemy warship captain to blast torps right into there necks to crack them in two.

[Spidey-]

great work!

the tower looks kind of out of place though

[CSpaced]

Fantastic! Excellent work. :)

[Choo1701]

great work!

the tower looks kind of out of place though

That was discussed Pre-Crash and gotta say it does look cool ;) :cool:

Such a cool warship :cool: Going to put a name on here? :)

[Alnair]

Tststs... the ship isn't finished yet and you guys want to see it in a heroic and tragic fight to the finish... will see what I can do in the future...;).

to Spidey: Agreed, reworking of the tower superstructure is already on my list.

to Choo1701: Name and other signs will be put on the ship in the last stage. I need some good ideas for the design of the UNSDA's crest.

[backstept]

wow can we say 'awesome'!

[General_Zod]

I'm back! Lots of bad karma in the air for the last weeks... but I'm back!
The Achilles WIP is now in its final stage. Some details will be reworked, some suggestions will be realized, some parts have still to be finished. What I have done so far: Development of the textures and materials has begun, I designed a new and more modern version of the main railguns, I rigged the main batteries for animation, I cursed my fate that doomed me to work on this never-ending project... ;)
What I will do next: I will design a new version of the small railgun batteries (this time they will be retractable and will have some kind of poping up mechanism), I will rigg these batteries too, I will reshape the appearance of the command tower, I will finish the engine section... ;) you see, lots of work still to do!


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles47m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles47.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles48m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles48.jpg)
Man great work.

[lukas123haha]

more renders !!!!

[Alnair]

more renders !!!!

Will come ASAP!

[mirage]

Really glad to see this back on the board... All I can say is outstanding and looks great!!! I look forward to updates and see more of the ship.

[crichak]

wow now that was what i was suggestin in the beggining. great job! i love the set up cannons. im amazed at how far this has come since i found my way to this great ship.

[GotAFarmYet?]

Thi9s is Definitily been a interesting project to follow

[Icon1]

Thank God your continuing with this project, it looks amazing. This design could easily be incorporated into the SG-1, SG-A universe. Great job.

[Alnair]

wow now that was what i was suggestin in the beggining. great job! i love the set up cannons. im amazed at how far this has come since i found my way to this great ship.

Even an old man like me (sometimes ;)) listens to other peoples suggestions.

[larundel]

WOW...glad to see this back around....now that is what i call a battle cruiser...so want it to kick some wrath butt.

[c_of_nine]

Excelent dessing and work on it.

[Dark Angel]

Awesome battleship there!!!

[Major Diarrhia]

The awesomeness of this great ship is comprimised by only one flaw, well three, but the second and third one I don't care about. The missile cells are too far apart from each other, they should be squeesed right next to each other. The modules of cells aren't so bad, though, they could be put closer together as well.
http://navysite.de/launcher/vls.htm

[Alnair]

The awesomeness of this great ship is comprimised by only one flaw, well three, but the second and third one I don't care about. The missile cells are too far apart from each other, they should be squeesed right next to each other. The modules of cells aren't so bad, though, they could be put closer together as well.
http://navysite.de/launcher/vls.htm

You are right! I think I will change that. :)

[Majestic]

Looking awesome. I can't wait to see what comes next. :D

[Alnair]

Currently I'm working on a new version of the small AA turrets.

[Dark Angel]

You know Majestic, you could ask Alnair if you can use his Achilles model in your Armada 2 mod?

[crichak]

hahaha, i know what you mean alnair except i allways feel old. ugh. man that really show you need a vacation when you feel old at 32.

[Alnair]

hahaha, i know what you mean alnair except i allways feel old. ugh. man that really show you need a vacation when you feel old at 32.

Haha... you are a young man, brother! I'm 40!

[baptiste11]

Fantastic, this is exelent, wonderful !!!

[John Sheppard]

looks cool. can't wait to see more.

[Gilmour]

:eek: Truly Outstanding:D

[alanch90]

aleluya!! the achilles is back!!
i remember that the original thread of the achilles was the first i saw on this site and it was mi only (initial) reason to register in this site. it is the best fan-made ship based in sg universe. excellent work, alnair.

if someone wants the older renders (of the pre-crash), just send me an e-mail, because i have them all.

[hermiod]

Its great to see the Achilles back. I`ve been waiting in anticipation for this wip to return.

In regards to the UNSDA crest, i`ve got a few ideas. If I get time i`ll knock up a few basics on Paint Shop and post them in this thread so people can say what they think.

[Alnair]

Thank you for the plaudit, guys! It is very motivating for me to see that the Achilles has so many fans even after the great crash. I will post some updates ASAP.

[Auralis]

Fans? the achilles kicks every official SG ships behind, with naquada tiped boots :)

[hermiod]

I needed something to occupy myself while the other half had crap on tv (Australia`s Next Top Model. Aargh!) so i`ve knocked up a patch for the Achilles, hope you don`t mind Alnair.
What does everyone think, any suggestions for improvement?

[Maverick Eagle]

personally I think the patch should show a picture or symbol of Achillies the Greek Warrior.

[hermiod]

personally I think the patch should show a picture or symbol of Achillies the Greek Warrior.
There is a picture of Achilles in the background. I think maybe i`ve made it a little too transparent, I didn`t want it to dominate the patch so I seem to have gone the other way and made it practically invisible! :)

[Alnair]

Excellent idea! I like it! But I'm affraid that the patch has to be reworked... I will change the shape of the tower a bit to incorporate some older suggestions of the audience and some newer thoughts of mine. ;) BTW, have I the permission to use the patch for uniforms? I will build some characters for the crew as soon as the ship is finished.

[baptiste11]

Indeed exelent this is wonderful, good work !!

[alanch90]

alnair, did the fighter bays are bigger than they were in the lasts updates of the pre-crash?

[Dark Angel]

Love the patch dude!

[John Sheppard]

Indeed really nice work so far.

[hermiod]

Excellent idea! I like it! But I'm affraid that the patch has to be reworked... I will change the shape of the tower a bit to incorporate some older suggestions of the audience and some newer thoughts of mine. ;) BTW, have I the permission to use the patch for uniforms? I will build some characters for the crew as soon as the ship is finished.

Of course Alnair. I made it for your ship so feel free to use it however you like.
Would it be possible for you to post a render like the one i`ve used on the patch but with the front at the front of the picture with the perspective leading you to the back (crap explanation but my mind is fried atm!). Hope that makes sense. Then I can use that to try out a few other ideas and then just replace it with the final render when you are finished.

[crichak]

hermiod look at the us navy or airforce insignia and mix some of that into it instead of having the ship in it. or try the british royal navy insignia since they allways have pretty things. hahaha. but i like the tauri atlantis.
alanch90 i dont think they ar. since the bigger ones looked a little diffrent i think.

[Alnair]

Since the last pre-crash update the size of the fighter bays hasn't changed. I'm only reworking some (minor) elements of the ship. The general layout is finished.
A rendering in the desired perspective:


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles49m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles49.jpg)

[crichak]

yay i wasnt wrong, it looks perfect. i shall put this over my fireplace, if i had one. heh. what minor things are you working on?

[JUGGERNAUT]

Wow Great Work!!!!!!

[stareagle]

Very beautiful ship. Can't wait seeing this with textures, and maybe in a scene.

[chrisbarnett20]

can we have a ortho view please.

[Parker Midwinter]

looks like a nasty Bird doesn't it?

I'd like to see her open up on someone...

and Achilles heel or not, i would NEVER want to stand agains it... look at the missile hatches! ... those are missile hatches, yes?

[Alnair]

yay i wasnt wrong, it looks perfect. i shall put this over my fireplace, if i had one. heh. what minor things are you working on?

As I mentioned above I will build a new version of the small AA turrets. The command tower will get a slightly revised shape. Other parts like the engine section and the fighter bays aren't finished yet.

[Alnair]

can we have a ortho view please.

Orthos will follow as soon as the ship is finished. ;)

[Alnair]

...
and Achilles heel or not, i would NEVER want to stand agains it... look at the missile hatches! ... those are missile hatches, yes?

Yes! :D

[hermiod]

Here`s the new Achilles patch with the different perspective Achilles on it.
I`ve tried out a few ideas for the UNSDA logo but they are terrible so I`m not even going to bother posting them here.
Back to the drawing board with that!

[Alnair]

Mighty fine!

[baptiste11]

This is a good idea !!!
But why not to take again the same design as in stargate?
http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s9/915/html/ethon0220.html
as on the clothing of teal' C

[hermiod]

This is a good idea !!!
But why not to take again the same design as in stargate?
http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s9/915/html/ethon0220.html
as on the clothing of teal' C

Unfortunately I don`t have a cartoonize filter, unless someone knows of one for either Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro X. I don`t think it would look right unless it was in that style.
The patches are very similar though with the exception of the stylized ship and the color of the border of the patch.
I will try to knock up something similar tomorrow and post it.

[Makotokat]

Try solarizing...

[Alnair]

Hm, I could provide you with a cell shading render...

[hermiod]

Hm, I could provide you with a cell shading render...

Here`s the latest version of the patch. I`ve tried to get it a little closer to the patch from the show.
Alnair, I would definitely appreciate a cell shading render. I think that would finish it off.

[Gilmour]

Nice patch I like the design:D , though the white bit around the end of the fighter bays slightly bugs me, probably because of my nature as a symmetry freak, cause tbh I'd think it'd be better as a normal circle, the Achilles in front.

Though I dunno, it may be because you wanna distinguish it from the black. Though still..

[Alnair]

New command tower and test with two new AA turrets.


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles50m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles50.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles51m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles51.jpg)

[mikala]

Holy Hanna!
Nice combination of real world with sci-fi.

[Auralis]

Now we are Talking :)
Much better then the old skyscraper :)

[baptiste11]

Your model is super, but it misses a little color, it is a little sober!!!! But the unit is made perfectly!!

[Gilmour]

That is a beautiful tower, yet somehow I miss the old distinctive quality of the other one, but that's just me being abit nostalgic probably, still it's astounding in looks:D Certainly as the length of the overall tower segment makes it appears somethings to be done in that area of the ship.

[IainB]

Oh mate! i love the design of this SHIP! Its genius! Perfection! Bravo!

[Lee80]

I like the new tower...Good Job :)

[hermiod]

I love the new tower.
It definitely screams 'shoot me' alot quieter! :D

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Wow, absolutely stunning. Looks exactly in place between the Prometheus and Daedalus, but for the fact that it plain kicks their butt! :D

[gthompsn]

Very nice Alnair. In your closeup picture, what is that opening at the aft end of the superstructure going to be for?

[Major Diarrhia]

Of the three small turrets in the upper pictures, I like the far right one the most. Although, a combination of the far left's guns, in the configuration of the far right turret, with a little more low roundness of the middle turret, could look very good. Another thing to consider is that the turret doesn't need to be so wide since no one will actually be inside the turret, all modern turrets are completely automated. On the other hand, if something goes wrong inside the turret, you would have to put a space suit on to fix it, so having an internally accessible turret is actually quite a good thing.

The ship is looking great, I hope to see it in a battle animation.

[alanch90]

i love the (and the aa missile launchers) new turret, it seems much more "futuristic" than the older.
excelent job, but ¿why the ship has 3 types of aa turrets?

[Choo1701]

I like it. GOt a nice WW2 feel to it :D

Quite Boxy and flat...but still looks like it can take a lot of punishment :)

[Alnair]

i love the (and the aa missile launchers) new turret, it seems much more "futuristic" than the older.
excelent job, but ¿why the ship has 3 types of aa turrets?

Was a little test. The two turrets on the left side are both the same new version. The first shows the system in combat ready state the second in the neutral position.

[Alnair]

Very nice Alnair. In your closeup picture, what is that opening at the aft end of the superstructure going to be for?

Hm... I think you are referring to the heat radiator.

[Alnair]

Your model is super, but it misses a little color, it is a little sober!!!! But the unit is made perfectly!!

The textures of the model are only temporary ones. I haven't decided on the colorscheme yet. But you know, it's a warship and warships aren't very colorful. ;)

[baptiste11]

Not false, But that could break this idea of men-of-war ..... But that is all the same exelent!!!

[Aresius]

let's await to see that ship kickin' some stupid Goa'Uld the ass...

Nice work till now, awaiting more...

[Gilmour]

The textures of the model are only temporary ones. I haven't decided on the colorscheme yet. But you know, it's a warship and warships aren't very colorful. ;)

I think Grey's a safe bet:lol:

[cf.ru]

would you please hurry up and finish this great work :P

[Alnair]

Ok, but then I will have to resign from my RL job so I can concentrate on modelling... :devil:

[mikala]

Ok, but then I will have to resign from my RL job so I can concentrate on modelling... :devil:
Ain't that the sorry truth of 3d.

[Alnair]

Yes, beginners be warned! You can get contingent on doing 3D art. If you want to have a real life and a family don't, I repeat don't start modelling!

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Yes, beginners be warned! You can get contingent on doing 3D art. If you want to have a real life and a family don't, I repeat don't start modelling!Unless your girlfriend / spouse likes to do 3D art just as much as you yourself like to do it. :devil:

[Alnair]

The final construction of the engine section has begun. All old AA turrets have been replaced by the new version (fully rigged). Command tower is almost finished now.


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles52m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles52.jpg)

[mikala]

Definitely going to have to nuke a few Ori and Wraith with this Puppy!

[Gilmour]

It's my no.1 wanted christmas present.

[Auralis]

Sweet!

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Looks fantastic, though the mini-thrusters in the latest render look a bit tagged-on...

[vissroid]

.::drools::.

great job man. this gives me alot of insperation to start back into modeling agian

[Grzesiek]

Very impressive work. Puts all other Tau'ri ships to shame, this one is a more sleaker. I still like the original ships, but this one make me guess that they finaly hired some external designers ;)

Keep it up. And can't wait for some action vids :)

[Aresius]

Can anyone tell me, why the ship-designers in the studios are producing only those bulky ship like the X-303 Prometheus?

That ship's such a great thing...
With this ship the the series, StarGate would be much more loved, the Goa'Uld would be scared a bit more and there would be much more space fights...

[Grzesiek]

The bulky design is perfect for the show. They are trying to build them as quickly as possible to survive. External design is the last thing on their mind. Gua'ulds are the opposite. Long time, and show off their godhood.

So the current designs show what they needed. These ships are build quickly to survive, by a new and unexperienced space fearing race, Tau'ri.

[Aresius]

I was just kidding...
Actually I knew, that a fast built ship is good in the technical aspects, but a bad thing concernign the look...

[crichak]

alnair do i see the modern anti-aircraft gattling gun next to the front bridege? the guns with the cylinder on top. it looks so much like the gun but i cant be 100% positive on it. no other X-303 Prometheus's were built only 1 was ever made and it is (SPOILER below)

gone bye bye, blowed up. hahahahahahaha!

[Casperhead]

Fracking impressive. I can't wait to use this in some renders.

[Alnair]

alnair do i see the modern anti-aircraft gattling gun next to the front bridege? the guns with the cylinder on top. it looks so much like the gun but i cant be 100% positive on it. no other X-303 Prometheus's were built only 1 was ever made and it is (SPOILER below)

gone bye bye, blowed up. hahahahahahaha!

Hm, could it be possible that you are referring to the RAM missile system? The new AA turrets have foldable rail guns.

[vf-1msx]

are we going to see it in action soon :devil:

[viper01870]

glade to see this back in the running agean

[Alnair]

are we going to see it in action soon :devil:

It's almost finished. Before I can create action scenes I have do do a few orthos (have promised to do so ;))

[Auralis]

<bounce> can't wait to see the baby in action

[vf-1msx]

It's almost finished. Before I can create action scenes I have do do a few orthos (have promised to do so ;))
cool

[crichak]

oh alnair it looked a little like the modern navy AA guns. weird. i gotta have my coffee this morning. i am amazed at how many stargate ships are poping up recently. i like it. keep up the amazing work alnair.

[Tveakk]

That is amazing, i like the tiling:thumb:

[vf-1msx]

oh alnair it looked a little like the modern navy AA guns. weird. i gotta have my coffee this morning. i am amazed at how many stargate ships are poping up recently. i like it. keep up the amazing work alnair.
I think its B/C of alnairs good work:lol:

[Aresius]

<bounce> can't wait to see the baby in action

let's bounce together...

bouncing on the creator's nose...

[hermiod]

Okay I`m having update withdrawal symptoms now
**Sits rocking in a corner muttering 'I need an Achilles update NOW!**

So Alnair, when is the next update cos I`m getting jittery :p

[baptiste11]

Hello Alnair, I would like to know when you could show us your vessel in action, example a scene in space, we wait with impassience, of returned of your fantastic vessel!!

[Alnair]

A bit patience, my friends. Updates will follow today. Currently I'm working on the finalisation of the mesh. But adding tiny details here and there and fixing some flaws is very time consuming. ;)

[niraa67]

Looking forward to it.;)

[crichak]

hey alnair i was wondering if you could give some help to the designer Dan?that is if you have the time. look in my posts area its the one that is "Stargate Style Ship" i think.

[Alnair]

hey alnair i was wondering if you could give some help to the designer Dan?that is if you have the time. look in my posts area its the one that is "Stargate Style Ship" i think.

Will have a look at it.:)

[Alnair]

Updates:


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles53m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles53.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles54m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles54.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles55m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles55.jpg)

[Sarraj]

hmmmmmmmm, looks a lot like a Deadalus (gah can't remember, ae or ea?) from Stargate. But whatever mate, looking awesome :thumb:

[aszazeroth]

Looks really, really great.. .but that top structure .... still bugging some

[Alnair]

hmmmmmmmm, looks a lot like a Deadalus (gah can't remember, ae or ea?) from Stargate. But whatever mate, looking awesome :thumb:

This is intended.;) In the precrash description of this project I have already pointed out that this ship is a successor of the original ships of the show. The Achilles is build about 2 or 3 decades after the timeframe of the TV series.

[Alnair]

Looks really, really great.. .but that top structure .... still bugging some

I know, it's a bit unusual for a spaceship, but I tried to get a more realistic look within the general styling guides of the show.

[Alexzandyr]

Once you finish this work of art, i hope you will do some pictures (or animations) of some weapons firing. So we can see just how much ass this thing can kick.

This thing should be in the show, its soo much cooler than the ones they have now.

[Tachyon]

wow. very impressive

[Annihilator]

great progress. i like it a lot.

looks much more believable then the ships from the series.

and after watching some old video fragments from Howard Day, and the trailer for "Supreme Commander", i want to see this one in action :D

[harrisw]

Alnair, I've been following this from the beginning and it just keeps getting better, although I have to say the tower has been bugging me too, it looks out of place on a spaceship.

[vf-1msx]

I love the ship
as for the tower I like it:thumb:

[Auralis]

Excellent! progress, love this baby :thumb:

[Cerberus]

I love it, love it love it!! I SOOOOO wish it could be in the show. Give it some ancient shields and wepons, and put it up against the Ori. :flippy:

[X-Man]

The ship is awesome. Looks like something we could build today if we had the technology. Can't wait for the finished model.

[Grzesiek]

Gets better and better.

With the fighter bays seem to be inspired by the battlestar :) (if mentioned before.. sorry, missed that)

Can't wait to see it side by side the dedauls and promethous ;)

[Maverick Eagle]

For some reason I can see General O'nell approving a ship design inspired by a sci-fi show. He might finally get his chance to name a ship and get back at his partner sam who didn't let him name Earth's first starship the eneterprise. It would be nice to see a version of this ship in the show. especially since it seems the current design can't compete against the Ori warships. Of course the resoruces for such a design means that earth as a whole needs to be unified and aware of the current threat. How big is the Achilles anyway?

[viper01870]

i agree i would see it as a great honer to see somthing i spint time on use in somthing eles that i enjoy

[crichak]

yes i agree if it is a while after they found atlantis then there should be more ancient designs on it since that would be an afully long time to study the ancient database.

[loRdzeRo]

yea this ship rocks !

[Alnair]

Rebuilding exact replicas of ancient artifacts isn't necessary if the physical principles of their technology are understood. The design of ancient machinery is mostly influenced by their sense for aesthetics. Tau'ri versions of this technology would look mostly Tau'ri. Only parts which forms are dictated by their function would look almost identicaly. BTW I'm in doubt whether great amounts of ancient knowledge could be deciphered and adapted so easily given the fact that the ancients were much more evolved than normal human beeings. This includes that their intelligence surpasses ours by far. ;)

[Dallidas]

Rebuilding exact replicas of ancient artifacts isn't necessary if the physical principles of their technology are understood. The design of ancient machinery is mostly influenced by their sense for aesthetics. Tau'ri versions of this technology would look mostly Tau'ri. Only parts which forms are dictated by their function would look almost identicaly. BTW I'm in doubt whether great amounts of ancient knowledge could be deciphered and adapted so easily given the fact that the ancients were much more evolved than normal human beeings. This includes that their intelligence surpasses ours by far. ;)


i agree, although we do seem to be able to repair puddle jumpers and the orion very easily, considering the tech level.

[crichak]

but considder just taking something found and strapping it on. but i still think the ship is amazing the way it is. dallidas. they arent perfect repairs they had to probably replace a lot. and that also means they cant use the stuff to its full potential since they can only use the more basic of things. the repair systems were probably made to be easy but their weapons systems arent (i am excluding the drones) the easier stuff is, is because it is thought controlled.

[Alnair]

Update: The fun has begun! Started with the final texturing. Lighting is still WIP.


http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles57m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achilles57.jpg)

[Aresius]

looking quite good...
I'm starting to realize, what a tremendous size this beast seems to have...

[Maverick Eagle]

she does resemble the Galactica a little doesn't she. From what I remember the Human fleet mainly uses weapons that they had researched and developed on there own. Stuff like shields and special tech might be given to them from the Asgaurd. From what I remember the Asgaurd will not give the The Tau'ri weapons cause of the risk of the Tau'ri abusing the weapons. The Atlantian attack pods while being researched are probably still beyond there ability to create and use effectivily. unless they find a atlantian factory that produces them. At most any weapons on the Achilles and any sisters would be refined weapons currently seen on the current ship designs. I know this. the other enemy race the Wraith would not stand a chance agains the Achilles.

[Lee80]

Lookin Sharp..good job :thumb:

[eagle[200x]]

wow - that ship grows more beautiful with every single visit i make here :)

Man - I'd love to see that ship actually on the show - maybe as last line of defense against the Ori...or as the first step of mankind towards galactical domination :D

[Choo1701]

I'm liking it (Dark Military Grey :D)

but the huge, red A & B on the landing bays...oh dear :(

[Alnair]

No problem! Colors can easily be altered. ;)

[baptiste11]

Nice job !!again !

[Harbinger of Doom]

']wow - that ship grows more beautiful with every single visit i make here :)

Man - I'd love to see that ship actually on the show - maybe as last line of defense against the Ori...or as the first step of mankind towards galactical domination :D
What he said ^ ;)

Those guys at MGM don't know what they're missing!
Maybe some should let them know? :D

[dadeo911]

WOW :eek!:
One dumb question though. I haven't been able to see the last season of stargate. Is this from the show or your own take on the ships? Either way good job.

[Alnair]

It's my own design. ;)

[Harbinger of Doom]

and a very very good one too. :thumb:

[Maverick Eagle]

If you do show them. Make sure that you have ownership over your model. So they don't take it away and show it off as there's. I want to see Tau'ri ships go toe to toe with other race cap ships and beat the crap out of them. If it can't kill the enemy ships then at least beat them until there floating scrap heaps with at least a working engine for them to get away. I'm getting tired of watching tau'ri ships barely being able to defend themselves and fight back. the only thing saving them is the Asgaurd shields and the SG1 characters who have a knack at beating the odds.

[Harbinger of Doom]

Yeah, I've always wanted to see an Ori cruiser vaporize in a spectacular explosion... :devil:
I hope you make a 1280 x 1050 and 1600 x 1200 size desktop backgrounds of this ship orbiting a planet or something... That thing would look awesome gracing my desktop!

[Dallidas]

If you do show them. Make sure that you have ownership over your model. So they don't take it away and show it off as there's. I want to see Tau'ri ships go toe to toe with other race cap ships and beat the crap out of them. If it can't kill the enemy ships then at least beat them until there floating scrap heaps with at least a working engine for them to get away. I'm getting tired of watching tau'ri ships barely being able to defend themselves and fight back. the only thing saving them is the Asgaurd shields and the SG1 characters who have a knack at beating the odds.


wont be happening for a long time...we are giving up with ships in season 10, back to the old days, sneak on board and blow it up!(or steal it:devil: )

but yes, deffinately show them this, but i would talk to Jedilaw first. he's a lawyer.:thumb:

[Grzesiek]

A wall paper.. yeah, would be nice :)

As for the Ori... we'll have to wait and see what happens in first epi of season10. maybe you'll get to see them blow up :) (I hope we do..) Though a last second fleet of the Asguard would be cool to see :P

[Alnair]

Hm, a wall paper... sounds like a good idea. Will see what I can do... ;)

[crichak]

yes maybe have it as either a battle with the ori, replicators with the replicator controll ship. but yeah that ship allready makes my desktop look amazing.

[Alnair]

This project has now reached its final stage! The model has still some minor flaws, mostly regarding the textures and the lighting. I'm not fully satisfied with the basic texture of the hull. So the texture's panelling will get a little overhaul.
The model has a basic rig for the guns and the lights. Yes, the lights can be turned of for battle...
If someone is interested: tomorrow I will post some specs regarding the mesh and the ship. :)


http://www.eimear.de/images/achillesf01m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achillesf01.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/achillesf02m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achillesf02.jpg)



http://www.eimear.de/images/achillesf03m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achillesf03.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/achillesf04m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/achillesf04.jpg)

[Gilmour]

Now that IS fantastic, I'm loving it all, you've made one fine ship, worthy of an inclusion in the show to be honest.

[DiSiLLUSiON]

It has shaped up to be a very impressive vessel. One little nitpick however, the grey / green blobs of the texture distract a bit. Maybe it won't show up as much if it was a little darker, but I don't know what the exact shade of grey is used for the Prommie and Daedalus, so I can't be sure.

[Alnair]

It has shaped up to be a very impressive vessel. One little nitpick however, the grey / green blobs of the texture distract a bit. Maybe it won't show up as much if it was a little darker, but I don't know what the exact shade of grey is used for the Prommie and Daedalus, so I can't be sure.

I will fix some issues with the basic texture. The WIP isn't totally finished yet. :)

[Dallidas]

this is amazing!

have you decided whether or not to show it to the creators??

[Lee80]

very impresive..:thumb:

[baptiste11]

Fantastic, this is EXELENT !!!!!

[alanch90]

just...EXCELENT:o

[t-cast]

superb in every respect.
orthos and a wallpaper would be most excellent.

[loRdzeRo]

ouuuh yes Great Job !!

[Harbinger of Doom]

This is an exceptional example of scifi modelling, I would definitely show this to the creators.

[Maverick Eagle]

lets see. lets compare the ship with the current model in SG1 we can get a better idea what textures you might need. Also to scale the ship.

lets see from what I can now understand of your ship now.

First ship of the Class is most likely Achilles.
Class should be called Achilles class (my guess since you made it you can name the class what ever you want.)

it looks to be a superbattleship/carrier not unlike the Battlestars from battlestar galactica.

she carries more fighters then the deadules class and is designed defiently to go toe to toe with vessels of equivalent size or bigger.

Ship was most likely designed to combat the ori threat and probably can overtake and destroy hatak mothership vessels on its own with little to no damage to itself. It looks like it can wipe the floor with the wraith motherships.

[NeoHunter]

Is this canon?

Nice model by the way.

[Harbinger of Doom]

No. Its a new, custom design.

This ship is sure to make the Russians envious.
Next they'll be 'demanding' another Daedalus cruiser.........
*grumble* LoL!

BTW, whats that thing right behind the command tower?
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1696/achilles6el.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=achilles6el.jpg)
Is it a helicopter pad or something???

[crazyazunboy]

nice work...i like how you used the SeaWiz's next to the tower really ties the ship to the "past" ships. Im just a newbie around here but i was thinking like adding some scratches to the runway texture...you know makes me think of Kat and Boomer and all those navy videos of bolts.

[Harbinger of Doom]

lets see. lets compare the ship with the current model in SG1 we can get a better idea what textures you might need. Also to scale the ship.

lets see from what I can now understand of your ship now.

First ship of the Class is most likely Achilles.
Class should be called Achilles class (my guess since you made it you can name the class what ever you want.)

it looks to be a superbattleship/carrier not unlike the Battlestars from battlestar galactica.

she carries more fighters then the deadules class and is designed defiently to go toe to toe with vessels of equivalent size or bigger.

Ship was most likely designed to combat the ori threat and probably can overtake and destroy hatak mothership vessels on its own with little to no damage to itself. It looks like it can wipe the floor with the wraith motherships.
Actually, from what I understand after reading the Wikipedia page about the Daedalus, the Tau'ri railguns can't penetrate shields. Thats what nukes are for I think...

[Alexzandyr]

Or the Laser Alnair put on the front of the thing waaay back when the topic was only a few pages on the other board.

[Dallidas]

Actually, from what I understand after reading the Wikipedia page about the Daedalus, the Tau'ri railguns can't penetrate shields. Thats what nukes are for I think...


you right the railguns cant, BUT a big enough object moving fast enough can.(think HALO mass driver, i think???) he has anticap-ship guns on there, which should do the job.

[Maverick Eagle]

Rail guns still hurt once the shields are down. At most rail guns are good for taking out weapons, engines or certain weak areas to disable ships or installations. From what I've seen the rail guns seems good for sugical attacks on such items and for defense against enemy fighters or missles.

[Dallidas]

Rail guns still hurt once the shields are down. At most rail guns are good for taking out weapons, engines or certain weak areas to disable ships or installations. From what I've seen the rail guns seems good for sugical attacks on such items and for defense against enemy fighters or missles.


yes, but they dont do much agaisnt shields unless there are lots of them concentrated on one spot.

[Choo1701]

BTW, whats that thing right behind the command tower?
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1696/achilles6el.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=achilles6el.jpg)
Is it a helicopter pad or something???

Might be for Puddle Jumpers (or Gateships, depends what side of the Milky Way your on :confused: ).

Man. Such a cool little ship :flippy: (joke). Its cool how you've taken the Deadlus/Promethus designs up a couple of notches and made a ship that looks feasible in the Stargate universe

BTW: Do you mind if i take it for a test drive? :devil:

[mirage]

Great work!!! If only it were really in the show... That would rock!

[Annihilator]

they could increase to power for the railguns to push the slugs to plasma-state -> really fast fireing plasmaguns :devil:

[alanch90]

to understand what a BIG raligun can do against a shield you must know what kind of munition the railgun fires. i think that with all the data that is in atlantis the tau´ri would be able to build an advanced munition, that is able to penetrate all kind of shields, like the ancients drones. but we must ask alnair if the achilles´s railguns are capable of penetrating shields.
i have a few questions: how many fighters can it carri? wich is the crew? and how long is this beuty? because inthe old trhead alnair said that this ship was about 600 m(1968ft), and in ohter reply he said that the ship was 550m, but i´m not sure...

[vf-1msx]

Beautiful work
they sould pay lots of money :flippy: :thumb: :thumb:

[Alnair]

Ok guys, I promised to post some specs, so here they are:

mesh:
vertices: 1.015.756, polys: 932,785, objects 2.251, filesize: 71.227 KB (without textures)

ship:
lenght: 573 m, width: 238,5 m, height: 110,3 ; mass: 10,4 mio tons; crew: 578; auxiliary crafts: 16 F-310 (fighter), 4 F-308 (bomber), 3 C-150 (shuttles), 8 workpods
armament: 1 free electron laser (main gun), 12 heavy railgun batteries (AS), 29 small railgun batteries (AA), 6 SRM launcer (AA), 1 VLS with 160 cells (AS), Tau'ri version of ancient shields (equal or slightly superior to modern Asgard shields)
further specs have to be developed...

to Harbinger of Doom:
The dorsal docking pad is for bigger auxiliary crafts e.g. supply ships, which can dock and supply the battleship through the central cargo air lock.

[Harbinger of Doom]

to Harbinger of Doom:
The dorsal docking pad is for bigger auxiliary crafts e.g. supply ships, which can dock and supply the battleship through the central cargo air lock.
Ah... I figured thats what it was... I wasn't sure though, thanks for answering! :)

BTW, whats an F-310 or an F-308? I don't think those were on the show...
I thought the main Human fighter was the F-302?


Great work!!! If only it were really in the show... That would rock!
Maybe it will be, it depends on whether alnair e-mails the creators of SG-1, and if they accept his offer...

[Alexzandyr]

Remember he said its several decades after what we've seen so far.

[Harbinger of Doom]

He did? Where?

[Choo1701]

He did? Where?

In the original thread before the Big Crash.

[Major Diarrhia]

The dorsal docking pad is for bigger auxiliary crafts e.g. supply ships, which can dock and supply the battleship through the central cargo air lock.
The ship is awesome but it would be easier, safer, and more efficient to use their Asgaurd transporters for such large movements of meterial. Also, those flip up things for the secondary guns don't really make sense if they're supposed to be heat sinks. The ship is awesome though, please tell me you're going to animate it in a fight?:(

[Alnair]

The ship is awesome but it would be easier, safer, and more efficient to use their Asgaurd transporters for such large movements of meterial. Also, those flip up things for the secondary guns don't really make sense if they're supposed to be heat sinks. The ship is awesome though, please tell me you're going to animate it in a fight?:(

You are right! The Asgard transporter... invented by the show's authors for special plots, but now a magical device which solves almost every transportation problem... I hate it! ;)

[hermiod]

You are right! The Asgard transporter... invented by the show's authors for special plots, but now a magical device which solves almost every transportation problem... I hate it! ;)

Besides, what are they going to do if the transporters are damaged in battle?
You gotta have a backup plan...

[GotAFarmYet?]

So why wouldn't the supply ship have rings or the Asgaurd transporters. The ship could still get damaged and recieve supplies that way and would be the more likily route. No the only reason you have a air-lock would be if there is something you can not transfer by energy conversion, probably something unstable.

with the magic of the rings and Asgaurd transporters you have most things covered. As someone mentioned this is down the road a bit in the timeline and they might also be carring a Stargate by now as well, one was built out of materials found on the internet in one episode. So there is three ways without an airlock already, how many backups do you need?

anyways back to the ship..,
I folllowed this one from the start, and am waiting for the renders I hope will be coming soon. At any rate thanks for making this ship I think it has turned out Beautiful so far.

[Annihilator]

a backup that works without energy? :D

i just think that this big armorplate looks pretty "clean" - so undetailed. I hope the textures will change that a bit.

[Jayden]

Stargate sure has evolved since that movie hasnt it. It will soon have more galactic races than Starwars at this rate. :D

I love the look and scale and everything else about this ship. Lookin foreward to the next update.

[Chanur]

What the......
This one is phantastic!!!
I'm curious, what type of fighters this babe is carrying within her belly :D

[alanch90]

alnair, are you going to make the interiors of the bays? and those suply ships? i cant wait to see the fighter...

[Dallidas]

Stargate sure has evolved since that movie hasnt it. It will soon have more galactic races than Starwars at this rate. :D

I love the look and scale and everything else about this ship. Lookin foreward to the next update.

probably already have, but that depends on what you mean by race. there are alot of humanoid races that have minor differences like UV sensistivity and such. it all depends on what you mean by "race"


ship looks great!:thumb: cant wait to see the bomber and fighter.

[Alnair]

Thank you guys! I will rework some minor details, especially the textures. For the fighter and the bomber I will first do a little brainstorming to get fresh ideas. The fighter bay will get an interior when I'm doing hangar bay scenes with the fighters but that will take a little while... another project of mine has now a higher priority.;)

[MWelter]

Just started to visit this forum again after quite a while.
I must say this ship is awesomely cool :thumb: It's even better than the original designs, which are way too blocky for my taste. Btw. I've only seen one radar at the bottom side of the ship, at some AA gun, i think. Maybe add one or two long range radar domes. It would be a pity if enemys could approach unseen from below ;)

[Dallidas]

Thank you guys! I will rework some minor details, especially the textures. For the fighter and the bomber I will first do a little brainstorming to get fresh ideas. The fighter bay will get an interior when I'm doing hangar bay scenes with the fighters but that will take a little while... another project of mine has now a higher priority.;)


ive got a sketch that kinda looks like a smoother more advanced version of the f-302 ill show it to you if your interested.

[Alnair]

ive got a sketch that kinda looks like a smoother more advanced version of the f-302 ill show it to you if your interested.

Fresh input is always welcome! :)

[nhall]

are those stairs I see on the exterior, near the command towers?

Just curious as to why there'd be stairs on the outside of a humoungous starship.

BTW, I like the free-electron-laser idea. It's a nice incorporation of modern-day experimental weapons tech into scifi. I love it!

Also, would you be interested in the Achilles making a cameo appearance on Stargate: Horizon? (www.stargatehorizon.com) I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for me to convince Alex Rubit to write her into a script or two. Just a thought. :D

Cheers,
Nick

[Alnair]

are those stairs I see on the exterior, near the command towers?

Just curious as to why there'd be stairs on the outside of a humoungous starship. ...



All known Tau'ri starships have the ability to land on a planet's surface. Under such circumstances (normal gravity) I think it's only useful for the maintenance of the superstructures to have gangways and stairs for an easy access. ;)
My Achilles in a script? Sounds quite cool!

[nhall]

Hokai. :D I thought that's what they'd be for, but with Achilles being the largest Tau'ri vessel ever constructed (as far as I can tell) I wasn't sure if she could land or not.

Cheers,
Nick.

[Choo1701]

All known Tau'ri starships have the ability to land on a planet's surface. Under such circumstances (normal gravity) I think it's only useful for the maintenance of the superstructures to have gangways and stairs for an easy access. ;)
My Achilles in a script? Sounds quite cool!

There's stairs....i need to get my eyes checked :confused:

[DiSiLLUSiON]

There's stairs....i need to get my eyes checked :confused:I saw the stairs immediately. :D :P

[John Sheppard]

Nothing is as it seems. So let him just do his work and wait for the future. I'm sure he will impress a lot more if he's finished with it.

OUTSTANDING WORK SO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Arnie100]

excellent design. how's about more CIWS turrets to get rid of those nasty deathgliders?

[acook59]

we need more pics of this ship!!!!!! We're hungry!!!!!!

[Sacred-Light]

Ok this thing is looking better and better each passing second and it already was a smashing hit. I concur with acook59, more pictures of this beauty.

[Alnair]

Will see what I can do! :)

[Majestic]

Awesome work. This design gets better and better each time I visit.

[Silverblade-T-E]

HOLY ****!
that's awesome mate, it deserves a major animation :)

[lukas123haha]

new new new new new !!!!

[strangeman]

W O W

:eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!:

GREAT WORK !

[Ownix]

Like strangman said "W O W !!"
That's one mean ship, beautiful in a deadly sort of sence.

[alanch90]

alanir, can you make a dorsal view of the achilles please?

[Alnair]

Hello my friends, at the moment I'm busy with my RL job. But I promise that I will post some new pictures soon. At the moment I'm preparing the scene elements for the first set of still pictures of the Achilles in action.

[Auralis]

Take your time, we can wait :)
I think...
maybe..
well, not realy :)

[crichak]

wow i just took a look at this again and i love the finished model!!!! that looks great im gonna fram the sucka! yeah! its going right over my fireplace!:)

[Bar]

I now have enough reference(Thanks to Robert!) to make a physical model of her. It won't be right away, but it will most likely be in 1/2500 to go with the Daedalus i made (http://www.freephoto-i.net/displayimage.php?album=1088&pos=2).
What a beautiful vessel.
bar.

[Jedirath]

Dude great job looks awesome

[vf-1msx]

i love the finished model!!!!

[Elowan]

I have some docking space open .... :P

[chrisbarnett20]

any wallpaper yet?

[Alnair]

I'm currently extremly busy with my job. In the last time I had hardly the time to work on the project. But this project isn't abandoned! :)

[ZakeD]

Do you think you will show it to mgm? I didn't see if you answered that question or not. I really love this ship..it has great detail. You should be working for mgm. =D

[Cerberus]

It just HAS to be on the show!!!!!

[ZakeD]

Another thing I wanted to ask earlier..what was that symbol next to the command tower? It's almost exactly like natos.

[Dallidas]

mgm will never put it on the show due to legal crap. royalties and such. wish it was, but it never will be.

[JustinDixon]

actually in theory it COULD be in the show. All they'd need to do is pay him for the mode, use of name and idea of ship's build/action/purpose/intent then they could use it. (aka they'd buy his model)

[JustinDixon]

oh, and simply delightful model!

[-=sAs=-]

Hi there! It's generous, man! Really cool desing, and what a mesh.. it's so so beutifull!:) :thumb:

[snootybrit]

this is one of the best meshes that i have seen!, any chance of some 5 view images?

Fantasic Work!

[Alnair]

After a very long break... just to show that neither I nor my modeling project are dead... these pictures show the last orthos, made as modeling references. The lighting is therefore very bright. :)


http://www.eimear.de/images/back_fsm.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/back_fs.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/bottom_fsm.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/bottom_fs.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/front_fsm.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/front_fs.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/left_fsm.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/left_fs.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/right_fsm.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/right_fs.jpg)


http://www.eimear.de/images/top_fsm.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/top_fs.jpg)

[Cerberus]

omg i think i just died..... im all drooling everywhere.... :o IMO this ship is cannon, i just cant not see it in the SG universe. Its sooooo amazing. Definatly an X-305 contender.

[mikala]

Thanks for the fix!

[Alnair]

omg i think i just died..... im all drooling everywhere.... :o IMO this ship is cannon, i just cant not see it in the SG universe. Its sooooo amazing. Definatly an X-305 contender.

I think it won't be my last SG project! ;)

[Stephen71]

Simply amazing!! I could just see this blasting some nice big holes in an Ori ship.

[chrisbarnett20]

fantastic!!!

[t-cast]

Most excellent.

[Aresius]

oh hell...
If I would have the ability to construct an starship, I would hire you as a senior constructor...
that ship's amazing!!!!

[S31-Anubis]

Excellent

[Jayden]

Good to see that neither you or your project are dead :)

especially you. or it wouldnt be much of a project :D

well dont keep us waiting too long.