Chronicles of the Crusade: USS Achilles/HMS Ajax

[Alnair]

Hello guys and gals! Here is it, my new WIP. Must be crazy to start a second project of this size in one year ;). I have to apologize to those guys of you who expected me to simply rework and refit my Achilles mesh. After reading the chronicles story I decided to create a totally new ship for the plot. What you see now will once be the pride of the Tau'ri fleet constructed by the US Navy and its British counterpart the Royal Navy. The US ship will be named USS Achilles, the British HMS Ajax. According to the chonicles plot there will be only these two prototypes of this class.
The Achilles/Ajax is a super dreadnought, almost a mile long and equipped with the most devastating firepower human engineers could integrate into a ship of that size. These ships will declass any vessel currently in service with the SGC.
Suggestions and questions regarding the ship/model are welcome as always. :)


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[Dan]

That is really nice, and really massive if that 302 is anything to go by.

[Alnair]

Yep, the F-302 is for size comparison. In the meanwhile I have changed the proportions of the ship slightly. Was a bit to massive for my taste. ;) The ship is still in a very early design phase.

[spartan303]

Beautiful start Alnair, I cant wait to see how they look.:)

[alanch90]

i really like it, but i think that tha main hull should be wider

[Knight-Templar]

Really nice, goes to show the size of the ship with the little fighters next to it.

Simon

[neod]

"i really like it, but i think that tha main hull should be wider"

me too

[The B5 Fan]

I agree in that it looks too thin.

[Alnair]

I will consider your suggestions. ;)

[Somerset]

Wow! I thought the Achilles was a great design but the Ajax is simply beautiful. Great job!

I think the thinness makes it unique from the American built Stargate ships.

[Dallidas]

looks great so far! although i think this should be named something other than the achilles. the original seems to different than this to be called the same thing.

[Alnair]

It's a matter of the chronicles plot. The original Achilles won't appear in chronicles. Just look upon it as a ship from another and strange universe ;).

[Dallidas]

that i can do!:thumb:

[Lee80]

Looks like a great start...

[chrisbarnett20]

looks good how big is it? (meters)

[Alnair]

looks good how big is it? (meters)

Length is at the moment almost 1500m.

[chrisbarnett20]

Wow, so equal firepower to the new galactica.

[Alnair]

Small update. The old UNS Achilles and the new HMS Ajax/USS Achilles for size comparison.


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[RallêHopp]

Impresive! Design looks pretty aggressive but keeps the sleekness(does this word exist?) of the Achilles(awesome work!!), i like it very much!
Is that rear bridge thingy kind of a homage to a star-destroyer, or do i imagine things?

[chrisbarnett20]

achilles' big brother.

[Alnair]

Impresive! Design looks pretty aggressive but keeps the sleekness(does this word exist?) of the Achilles(awesome work!!), i like it very much!
Is that rear bridge thingy kind of a homage to a star-destroyer, or do i imagine things?

Ups, caught! :D But to be honest, I got a bit inspired by the design of the SW ships. Their greebling is simply fantastic.

[nhall]

Nice so far, Alnair! Based on what I saw of UNS Achilles, I'm gonna be keepin' an eye on this one. BTW, whatever happened to UNS Achilles? I never saw her in any posted scenes, and never saw the end of the WIP, or a (dare I say) mesh release? I need closure, man!!!! :D :lol:

Cheers,
Nick

[BlackFulcrum]

And I thougth the original was impressive...

How big is the new one? If I look at the comparison pic...I'd be guessing....roughly a kilometer?

[Alnair]

Nice so far, Alnair! Based on what I saw of UNS Achilles, I'm gonna be keepin' an eye on this one. BTW, whatever happened to UNS Achilles? I never saw her in any posted scenes, and never saw the end of the WIP, or a (dare I say) mesh release? I need closure, man!!!! :D :lol:

Cheers,
Nick

The original UNS Achilles WIP was finished a while ago. The model is textured and rigged and could be used for scenes and animations if I had the time to do so. But my RL job and my engagement for the chronicles project keeps me very busy. At the moment I have two WIPs for chronicles running: The F-302B which is almost finished and needs only to be finaly assembled and textured and the new BB-305 aka Achilles/Ajax. I think there will be more WIPs for that universe to come. And there will be scenes to illustrate the chronicles story. Hm,... a mesh release is another thing.

[Alnair]

And I thougth the original was impressive...

How big is the new one? If I look at the comparison pic...I'd be guessing....roughly a kilometer?

Good guess! It's almost a mile (1500m) long.

[Wilson359]

A ship that long you'd need transport chambers like on Atlantis to get from one end to the other.

[SeverusSeptimus]

It's huge...

Maybe this isn't the crowd in which to make such an observation but I've rarely been commended on my common sense.

I'm pretty sure that whoever was behind the original prometheus design was playing a joke on all of us. It is ridiculously phallic. Subsequent designs haven't been so obvious.

I wonder Alnair, are you taking it to it's furthest conclusion with this much more "powerful" and "long" design? If so, may I suggest that you make the "balls" bigger.

[Alnair]

A ship that long you'd need transport chambers like on Atlantis to get from one end to the other.

Hm, the new Galactica has a similar size and her crew doesn't have matter transporters. I think a sturdy and reliable transport system like turbo lifts would be sufficient. I'm in doubt whether human engineers are able to copy the Atlantean transport chambers so quickly.:)

[Dr Lee]

*Picks up jaw from the floor*

Wow Wow Wow incredible work already and if the original achilles is anything to go by then... Wow

IF i may, what about calling the American version the Achilles II? Also will you be adding subtle alterations to the HMS ajax to show that it is a different ship to the Achilles?

Yet another thread that i'm going to be watching as closely as i can

[Alnair]

It's huge...

Maybe this isn't the crowd in which to make such an observation but I've rarely been commended on my common sense.

I'm pretty sure that whoever was behind the original prometheus design was playing a joke on all of us. It is ridiculously phallic. Subsequent designs haven't been so obvious.

I wonder Alnair, are you taking it to it's furthest conclusion with this much more "powerful" and "long" design? If so, may I suggest that you make the "balls" bigger.

It's true and it's so obvious! The Prometheus has an extremly phallic appearance... and I thought it was only the ugliest spaceship in TV history! Hm, I like the size of the "balls". Would it bother you if I leave them how they are? ;) Oh and BTW, it's not my intention to construct a superdildo...;)

[Alnair]

*Picks up jaw from the floor*

Wow Wow Wow incredible work already and if the original achilles is anything to go by then... Wow

IF i may, what about calling the American version the Achilles II? Also will you be adding subtle alterations to the HMS ajax to show that it is a different ship to the Achilles?

Yet another thread that i'm going to be watching as closely as i can

The original Achilles won't appear in chronicles. I built that mesh with a different intention in mind. The new Achilles will be the true USS Achilles for the chronicles plot. Your idea of adding alterations to the HMS Ajax is excellent! It adds to the authenticity of both ships. The British would for sure integrate as much of their own tech and design as possible. After all the Royal Navy can look back on a long and glorious history.

[vf-1msx]

This is gone be goooood :D

[Kenetor]

oh this is gonna be soooo good :) ill be watching!

Kenetor

[Beomoose]

I'm curious, why does the new ship not have the typical topside "shell/shield" of the other Tau'ri ships and Achilles? The prow and flying brige look great but the mid section and engine-hangar-body interface just lack the Tau'ri feel without that feature.

[Alnair]

I'm curious, why does the new ship not have the typical topside "shell/shield" of the other Tau'ri ships and Achilles? The prow and flying brige look great but the mid section and engine-hangar-body interface just lack the Tau'ri feel without that feature.

If you remember the Prometheus doesn't have that design element neither. ;) My thought was that adding this element would make the ship only to a bigger version of the Daedalus or my original Achilles. When I built the Achilles the dorsal shield was always a section of the model I wasn't totally satisfied with. So I decided to build a different mesh without this feature but with the Tau'ri feel. I think the new Achilles has the potential to incorporate both aspects: an enhancement of the current Tau'ri ships and on the other hand a more typical Tau'ri design than my original Achilles was. We will see whether this attempt will be successful or not.

[sheppard123]

Small update. The old UNS Achilles and the new HMS Ajax/USS Achilles for size comparison.


http://www.eimear.de/images/ajax/ajax04m.jpg
(http://www.eimear.de/images/ajax/ajax04.jpg)Sweet! how would it look textured?

[Alnair]

Sweet! how would it look textured?

It's a bit early for that question. The design phase and the following final modeling is far away from been finished (expect super heavy greebling!).Then we will talk about texturing. ;)

[Sanjurjo]

Nice design, i love it, both the old and the new one...
would be sweet to have the Achilles to play with... but ok, at last we can see it here! :D
A Thread to take a look for shure. ;)

[Maverick Eagle]

Um I was just wondering. Is there any small chance you might release the old Achilles mesh to the public? I would love to get a hold of that ship. I have some great ideas for some video shots. I always make sure to credit the creator of course. Even though she is no longer part of the story at least in chronicals. I feel she may be of use to some of us...

[Parker Midwinter]

good lord! the Ajax looks as big as an SSD... cool! can't wait to see her textured!

[BlackFulcrum]

good lord! the Ajax looks as big as an SSD... cool! can't wait to see her textured!

In comparision to Alnair's original Achilles she looks indeed big, but an SSD she is not, a normal (Imperial-class) Star Destroyer is actually slightly larger at 1605m (1.605km), the (Executor-class) Super Star Destroyer is a massive 19km long behemoth

[Alnair]

That's correct! A SSD is much bigger than this ship. Currently I'm checking some design variations for the primary hull which looks a bit too cluttered for my taste. Updates will follow.

[Parker Midwinter]

admittedly i have no idea how big an SSD is lol


it's still quite the feat of engineering to build something that... BIG... especially without a space-born fleetyard to construct her.

[Sagan]

Alnair, I followed your build of the USS Achilles and I loved that ship. The HMS Ajax Looks like it will look equally impressive

[Alnair]

Alnair, I followed your build of the USS Achilles and I loved that ship. The HMS Ajax Looks like it will look equally impressive

I will do my very best.;) Currently I'm struggling a bit with the shape of the primary hull. Doesn't seem to look right...

[MWelter]

It looks already pretty good for me, if you can make it even better... well... Good luck ;)

[Alnair]

I wasn't satisfied with the primary hull's shape. So after some brainstorming I decided to give the ship a more canon appearance. The general shape is now almost finalized. What will come next are the superstructures and the smaller details.


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[nhall]

Yaaaayyy! Updates!

Anyway, to be serious, this is really coming along nicely, Alnair! I'm loving the "immense" feel going on here. And I'm guessing that big cannon looking thing below the main section (the one that could swallow a 302 squadron whole :D) I'm guessing thats some sort of free-electron laser or something similar? Kinda like the main gun on an Ori ship, yes? And this ship is so big, even the "hangar pods" look tiny!

Great work, Alnair! I'm looking forward to more.

Cheers,
Nick

[Bar]

That's one big ship....

[Lord Erisu]

Nice ship. Can't wait to see more of it.

[Dallidas]

damn that is hot!

[Parker Midwinter]

very very pretty... and BIG...

i love it!

[Lee80]

my my... thats a BIG ship...nice work

[JustinDixon]

awesome design!

[spartan303]

The Achilles and the Ajax are supposed to Be Flagship killers. Thats what we asked Alnair to design and boy does this design live up to that!:D
And when I say flagship killer I mean Goa'uld Flagships like Apophis's and Anubis's flagships. One on One, Toe to Toe, Blow for Blow and win.

Anyway a little backgroun info on the Cannon for the Chronicles story. Its a particle cannon like what you guys see on the Warlock class ship. BUT this one is more of a knockoff of Ancient designs. The SGC was very impressed with the Warlock class and the main guns in paticular. Enter the Ancient satalight weapon (also a particle cannon) which is a much more advanced and deadly version of what the EA had.

When the Achillies project Codename BB-305 kicked off the SGC (and later the US Navy and Royal Navy) wanted a variant of the main gun for their new battleship. So the designs were taken right from the Atlantis database and a protype has been in the works (in the Chronicles universe). In Book 2 of Chronicles the BB-305 program will have a mention and will probably make its appearance in book 3.

[Lord Erisu]

Much like the EA hopes the Warlock is a match toe-to-toe for the Minbari Sharlin Class Warcruisers:).

[B.J.]

Very nice looking! I don't know if this was mentioned before, but the engine pods remind me a lot of the Ancient ("Orion"-type) ship's engines.

[Alnair]

...
Anyway a little backgroun info on the Cannon for the Chronicles story. Its a particle cannon like what you guys see on the Warlock class ship. BUT this one is more of a knockoff of Ancient designs. The SGC was very impressed with the Warlock class and the main guns in paticular. Enter the Ancient satalight weapon (also a particle cannon) which is a much more advanced and deadly version of what the EA had.

...

Yep, I'm currently constructing the bow section which houses this 'mother of all particle cannons'! :D :D

[Alnair]

Very nice looking! I don't know if this was mentioned before, but the engine pods remind me a lot of the Ancient ("Orion"-type) ship's engines.

I agree with you. But it was unintentional. Nevertheless, I think it goes with the ship.

[Darth Malice]

Looking good...:thumb:

[sheppard123]

I wasn't satisfied with the primary hull's shape. So after some brainstorming I decided to give the ship a more canon appearance. The general shape is now almost finalized. What will come next are the superstructures and the smaller details.


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Wow... Definitely looks closer to the Achilles and the Daedalus classes.

[sheppard123]

Alnair, could you post up an orthographic top view of the Ajax?

[Alnair]

Due to some really nasty opengl driver problems I will transfer this WIP to XSI. My C4D installation doesn't seem to run well on my current system with meshes over 750.000 polys - neither with a Nvidia 7600gt nor with a brand new Radeon x1900gt. I'm sorry but the change of the modelling software will slow down this WIP for a while. My XSI skills do need some time to grow to an appropriate level.

[Beowulf]

I have to say that design looks real good. ITs consistent witht eh TV show designs and looks quite impressive..

[Dallidas]

wow his first 2 posts and completely redesigns your ship...

[vf-1msx]

looking good

[Admiral Danev]

Hi, Alnair

What are the 6 circle things under the ship about half way though.

The two things on the back of the ship under the 302 hanger, what are they suppose to be. I think it would better if they were taken off, and another hanger was put under the ones there. A hanger that is a little longer in front and wider on the side than the one already there, and put those hangers under the ones there already.


If you could tell me what you think about the things I think would make it look better. Please do. (I know this takes a lot of time). Thanks.


NO WAY!!! they completely give the ship an original touch, and personally i think they look great, although im not sure on the 'flatness' of the front of the engine pods, maybe if they were slightly swept back to give the ship a much more 'smoother' profile, but in the end, it is your ship.

[Alnair]

Hello guys, currently I'm preparing the migration to XSI. Some details of the ship's shape will certainly change during the modelling process. But the general layout is fixed. BTW, the structures below the fighter bays are the engine pods. ;)

[sheppard123]

So this ship doesn't have the shell that the daedalus class or the achilles has right? Just wondering... how would top view look? And, will the texture be slate-ish like the Achilles or silver like the Daedalus?

[spfsocal]

What kind of weapon systems would require a ship that LARGE? From the WIP it looks like the most significant armament is the rail turrets.

[Dallidas]

there is/will be an ion beam weapon or something on the bottom spine i believe.

as to it being more human, it is set 10 years in the future? which is alot of time for development.

[Major Diarrhia]

Oh, vissual examples, I love visual examples.

Arranging the guns as such, I've doubled the fire power, over the original forward arrangement, in all directions, maintaned PD strength on both sides while increasing it on the top and bottom, for the same amount of PD guns.
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[spartan303]

Achillies and AJax will be armed with Mark 8 and mark 9 missiles. 1 heavy particle beam cannon. A variant of the EA idea but using Ancient tech instead. Hybrid Asgard/Ancient shields, And second generation hybrid Pulse Cannons. These cannons use a Goa'uld/EA hybrid system. Simply put the "bolt" is layered like cotton candy, its actually 2 bolts in one. The densely condensed plasma from the goa'uld portion of the weapon is followed up with a commet tail of plasma energy from the EA component. In essence you have the best of Both worlds with this weapon. The "Sabot" Round power of the goa'uld weapon with a follow on commet tail of "high explosive" plasma. Makes this weapon second only to the Tollen Ion cannon in terms of pulse weapons.

[Grzesiek]

Getting better and better. And more and more massive.

Simply put, waiting for more update :)

[Alnair]

Hello guys, problems with the drivers are solved after a reinstallation of my pc. Seems to be a very interesting discussion about the ship's layout...;) Regarding the additional hangar bays: the artistic interpretation of a given theme is always a matter of the personal taste. I for my part would really like to know why that ship with 4 hangar bays would look more "human build" :confused:

[Zardoz]

Looks really impresive !!! Nice work !!

[Wilson359]

Will the Ajax only be using Earth Alliance based tech. or will it be using Minbari tech as well? Because the plasteel poly-crystalline armour mesh might come in handy, not to mention the gravimetric engines like the Excalibur's or even the quantum gravimetric reactor.
If not, its a possibility???

[Icon1]

Will the Ajax only be using Earth Alliance based tech. or will it be using Minbari tech as well? Because the plasteel poly-crystalline armour mesh might come in handy, not to mention the gravimetric engines like the Excalibur's or even the quantum gravimetric reactor.
If not, its a possibility???


Uhh, this is a Stargate ship not B5.:rolleyes: P.S. it's awsome.:thumb:

[Lee80]

Uhh, this is a Stargate ship not B5.:rolleyes: P.S. it's awsome.:thumb:
its a cross over between SG and B5..:)

[Lord Erisu]

In B5, the gravimetric drive provides artificial gravity, in the sg1 uni, they already have artificial gravity, plus there engines are supposidly faster. If you've been reading the fan fiction so far, you should remember (I'm surprised that I remember tbh). The SG1 sides benefits more from weapon tech with the pact with the alliance.

[Icon1]

its a cross over between SG and B5..:)

Oh, I didn't know that sorry. :confused: Anyone got a link to this please.

[Lee80]

I hope nobody minds but.. here ya go.. its a really good read...http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/science-fiction-writers-forum/3851-chronicles-crusade-book-1-gateway.html

[Wilson359]

But don't you think they could at least benefit from the quantum gravimetric reactor. I mean it uses an artifically created black hole to power a ship.

[spartan303]

But don't you think they could at least benefit from the quantum gravimetric reactor. I mean it uses an artifically created black hole to power a ship.

Maybe...

We're tying to be realistic and cautious with the tech sharing. One thing that usually ruins a crossover like this for me is when all of a sudden 1 side has reversed engineered anothers tech in a very short amount of time and is already building a fleet of uberships with that tech (Star Trek and B5 Crossoves are absurdly bad about this). These stories tend to let realism slip by the way side. We don't want to do that with Chronicles. So while there will be tech sharing it will proceed at a reasonable pace.

[Lord Erisu]

I got a question for ya Spartan, are you going to be making a website with all the chapters on, and you don't have to trawl(sp) through pages and pages of posts searching for the next bit?? :)

[spartan303]

I got a question for ya Spartan, are you going to be making a website with all the chapters on, and you don't have to trawl(sp) through pages and pages of posts searching for the next bit?? :)


There are no immeadiate plans to make a website of our own. Its never really been discussed at length with the Chronicles team. Right now I'm in Iraq and so I don't have the time to do anything like that. Maybe in the future though. As for the next update...sorry guys it may be a little while, My computer is locked away at the moment but as soon as I'm up I'll post the next few chapters.

[gateatlantis]

Alnair

What are the 6 small things on the bottom of the hull.

A picture is included.

[Alnair]

It's a part of a repulsor system for landing.

[nhall]

Don't bump threads, gateatlantis.

Alnair, still lookin' good, though. :thumb:

Cheers,
Nick

[nhall]

Anyways, I can't wait to see Ajax (sorry, I just CANT call her Achilles. I still miss the old one. :shiner:) in her glory, fighting the ori. By the way, does she have landing gear and whatnot, or just those repulsor-whatsises? Rings?

Can we get some specs, here?

Cheers,
Nick

[Alnair]

Hi guys, currently I'm very busy doing a XSI conversion of my F-302B. I have chosen this mesh due to the fact that it was almost finished and its low complexity. I'm confident that after having finished that mesh I will have enough working experience in Softimage to undertake more complex WIP's like the Ajax - which will be finished!
to nhall: Due to her enormous mass the Ajax will mostly depend on her repulsor system for landing. An additional mechanical landing gear will be an option I'm considering for the further construction.

[madking25k]

is this thread dead or will there be more updates on the USS Achilles/HMS Ajax

[Alnair]

No, this thread isn't dead! Currently I'm converting this mesh for XSI. In addition I have decided to rework the design a bit. I'm optimistic that there will be updates in a few days. :)

[nhall]

is this thread dead or will there be more updates on the USS Achilles/HMS Ajax

Again, stop bumping threads, dammit!!!! If you want to know the status of Ajax (without getting my hopes up for updates :flippy:), PM Alnair!

Cheers,
Nick

[Lord Erisu]

The noob was right. Its dead I tell you. Dead. MWUAHAHAHA...

:D :D :D

[Alnair]

The noob was right. Its dead I tell you. Dead. MWUAHAHAHA...

:D :D :D

Hehe... very clever...;)
But you know: There's life in the old dog yet...;)

[nhall]

No disrespect to Alnair intended, guys. I love Alnair's work. (I still miss Achilles, though *hint, hint* :lol:) And when people see new posts on a thread such as this, it gets our hopes up for updates. He's too busy to update this thread, so for "veteran" SFMers, bumped threads are QUITE annoying.

But seriously, Alnair, when will your triumphant return be, mate!? Don't keep us in suspense! WHY GOD WHY!!!! Lol. :lol:

Also, do you have a website with a gallery or something? I'd like to see designs I may have missed, or pre-crash designs, mate! :D :D :D

Cheers,
Nick

[Alnair]

I surrender...:devil:

Here are the first new pictures of the Ajax! The conversion of all project data is finished. From now on it's a XSI project.:D


http://www.eimear.de/images/ajax/ajax10m.jpg
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[Alnair]

Also, do you have a website with a gallery or something? I'd like to see designs I may have missed, or pre-crash designs, mate! :D :D :D

Cheers,
Nick

If my work for the the chronicles project provides me with enough material I will consider building up a website. At the moment I just don't have the time to do so, building the meshes is my first priority.;)

[Lord Erisu]

Hehe... very clever...;)
But you know: There's life in the old dog yet...;)

I wasn't trying to be clever... just felt like being silly:).

umm... that second pic looks sweet, specially the section with the turrets. Nice work. And what program were you using beforehand??

[nhall]

YES!!! Thanks for the update, Alnair! This is great, and she's coming along nicely! Cant wait to see... dare I say it?... more! :devil:

:D

Cheers
Nick

[Alnair]

... that second pic looks sweet, specially the section with the turrets. Nice work. And what program were you using beforehand??

The project was started in C4D.

[madking25k]

I surrender...:devil:

Here are the first new pictures of the Ajax! The conversion of all project data is finished. From now on it's a XSI project.:D


http://www.eimear.de/images/ajax/ajax10m.jpg
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http://www.eimear.de/images/ajax/ajax11m.jpg
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Thank you Alnair I was about to go into with drawls over this mesh, but it looks awsome. What is the slot on the side is it a 302 bay? It also looks like you pushed the command bridge forward on the design keep up the good work

[vf-1msx]

looking good:thumb:

[Alnair]

Thank you Alnair I was about to go into with drawls over this mesh, but it looks awsome. What is the slot on the side is it a 302 bay? It also looks like you pushed the command bridge forward on the design keep up the good work

Yes, I reworked the design during the conversion. I felt the urgent need (for me as an artist;) ) to change the design a bit for a more original appearance. The first vitcims of that decision were the fighter bays. For better protection the bay is now integrated into the main hull. That certainly limits the ship's capability as a carrier but it improves its durability during heavy combat. I will post pictures of the new midsection as soon as I have the design more fleshed out.

[sheppard123]

Still looking great!

[Dr Lee]

Looking good.....

Where can i find the story that you've made this for?

[Alnair]

Looking good.....

Where can i find the story that you've made this for?

Here (http://forum.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=89250)...:)

[gateatlantis]

I surrender...:devil:

Here are the first new pictures of the Ajax! The conversion of all project data is finished. From now on it's a XSI project.:D


http://www.eimear.de/images/ajax/ajax10m.jpg
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I like the rail guns on top for the ship.
However, about the hanger bay, you put the hanger bay inside of the ship for protection , but that would mean the ship would not be able to carry as many 302s in battle, and for each earth vessel they has hangers on the side of the ship, not inside of the ship. I also think the engine pods needs to be removed as earth would never put anything on the ship like that. Instead they use smaller round engines on the back for the ship and possibly under the ship. Also the hanger inside of the ship it not getting bigger, than other ship before it, as the earth fleet continues to build. Also to out engines on the back for the hangers if they are inside it can not be done.

[Alnair]

I like the rail guns on top for the ship.
However, about the hanger bay, you put the hanger bay inside of the ship for protection , but that would mean the ship would not be able to carry as many 302s in battle, and for each earth vessel they has hangers on the side of the ship, not inside of the ship. I also think the engine pods needs to be removed as earth would never put anything on the ship like that. Instead they use smaller round engines on the back for the ship and possibly under the ship. Also the hanger inside of the ship it not getting bigger, than other ship before it, as the earth fleet continues to build. Also to out engines on the back for the hangers if they are inside it can not be done.

According to the chronicles story the Ajax is an crossbreed between SGC and EA technology. So the design adheres not strictly to the SGC canon ;)
Regarding the auxiliary crafts: this ship is not ment to be a dedicated carrier. Its primary offensive weapons are the heavy plasma cannons integrated in the turrets and the fixed main batteries at the bow. But there is still more than enough room for carrying an acceptable number of F302.

[The B5 Fan]

It's really very simple. This is a hybrid SGC-EA vessel. It is being commissioned for and built by the SGC.

[chrono]

So the design adheres not strictly to the SGC canon ;)

End of discussion.

[Alnair]

Amen!

New updates will follow soon! :)

[Alnair]

Update. I have tested the shape of the projected hull panelling... will see how it comes along.


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[Dallidas]

looks great!

[vf-1msx]

Cool:thumb:

[spartan303]

Looking Good Alnair.

Sorry everyone but I've been out of it for a while and will be so for the forseable future. B5 Fan was correct when he said the Achillies/Ajax was a ship utilizing hybrid tech from both the SGC and the EA. From polycrystaline alloy covering a trinium mesh hull to an integrated Shield/interceptor grid and most impressive of all are the weapons. Inproved versions of the Hybrid cannons, Railguns and of couse an Ancient derived Particle cannon. Most of these technologies were trialed on the Prometheus and Daedalus when contact and trade with the EA commenced.

I'm sorry I haven't updated the story on the site now but if you go to spacebattles.com or fanfiction.net you'll see what I'm talking about. Especially spacebattles since most of the updates go there first.

[JustinDixon]

okay, whoa - starwars turbo blaster-laser... thingies alert!

[bagera4000]

like to use tham as older class in mu rpg

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/2d-wips/13295-u-s-s-atlantis-cvx-4575-a.html?highlight=U.S.S+atlantis

[crichak]

alnair your making a us ship. i am really pleased to see my country finally being represented by your skill. i really like the ship. i also just wanted to add how i liked some of the nose designs of your first achilles maybe you should try to add some of the old project in a little bit more. but i do love your designs. great work alnair. i like the landing method you came up with. maybe have something like an antigrav. boosters on the bottom. that is an asgard tech. it was in the episode oneil infiltrated that group who was stealing alien technology it looked like a volcano the size of 4 feet and was floating in their base.

[Lord Erisu]

Lookin' cool dude, keep up the great work.

[Alnair]

Currently this WIP is paused...

[gateatlantis]

Why is it paused?

[Alnair]

Why is it paused?

Mostly artistic reasons aka "lack of good ideas". ;)

[crichak]

knowing alnair he willsuddnelly cme up with a massive idea and start doing some massive updates. heh. eh alnair? maybe go lokok at our good old us manster of a tank the m1-a1 abrhams tank for some inspiration. big gun thick armor. thats allways good.

[Alnair]

knowing alnair he willsuddnelly cme up with a massive idea and start doing some massive updates. heh. eh alnair? maybe go lokok at our good old us manster of a tank the m1-a1 abrhams tank for some inspiration. big gun thick armor. thats allways good.

Everything is possible... ;)

[spartan303]

Everything is possible... ;)


I know you got it well in hand dude.:thumb:

[ronmcd1076]

I've read the Chronicles, and think the old UNS Achilles would still be a worthy additon to the story line. After seeing how great of a job you did on that project, I have no doubt that your new Ajax will be truely something to behold for all who see it. Here's hoping your muse finds you.

[cooloneinca 2224]

o.k. this thread has a mind of it's own cool ship one word that sums it up BOOM

[ronmcd1076]

How goes the project bud?

[Icon1]

Every time I see this in the new posts I think it's been resurrected, but alas it's just some noob NECROPOSTING.

[gateatlantis]

Can you tell us if there are going to be updates?

[Kenetor]

Stop With The Necro!!!

[somacruz145]

Ahh I was going to say that it's a nice ship but I didn't look at the last page ... anyway, you did a pretty good job and it would be a shame if you leave it in this form ...

[aylaa12]

I know this is necro but this is a nice ship its too bad there hasn't been any new uptades or post for several months the design is good

[Alnair]

I'm sorry, but that design was intended for the "Chronicles"-project. It is now obsolete. But for all of you who are eager to see how the new Achilles has evolved there will be soon news...

[Alnair]

so may the dead live...

A few month ago the chronicles project was put back to active status. Our authors are again working on the story. The development for the Achilles MK2 which will play some major role in the future plot has also started again with a totaly new design. Main focus is a better implementation of the common style guides for SG starships known from the shows.
I'm now working about 25 hours on the new model. My current freighter project will be paused until the Achilles is finished. The pictures here show a mockup for the final layout. Further pictures will follow...

[FlamingPhoenix7]

Hmm nice ship Alnair, Im glad you brought it back, hope you manage to finish this time, look forward to seeing your progress

[Dr Lee]

this looks awesome:thumb:

Couple of inquiries... Am i seeing three hangerbays underneath?

And, the original wasn't finished?:eek: looks finished to me.

Cannot wait to see more of this

[Alnair]

this looks awesome:thumb:

Couple of inquiries... Am i seeing three hangerbays underneath?

And, the original wasn't finished?:eek: looks finished to me.

Cannot wait to see more of this


Short answers:
1. no, only one bay and two hyperdrive modules
2. no, the first design did never satisfy me and wasn't finished. I kept some good elements and discarded the rest.

[Alnair]

forgot one picture ;)

[t-cast]

Most excellent.

[aylaa12]

this is perfect I knew this ship was still alive hope to see more of her soon

[Alnair]

Update. Weapons, weapons... and weapons. Sorry, but it's a battleship. ;)

[FlamingPhoenix7]

Absolutely fantastic, thats all can say :thumb:

[aylaa12]

I agree flamingphoenix7 I've been keeping a close look at this ship since its early begining and the desing keeps getting better and better all the time the weapons are perfect it gives the ship a kind of world war 1&2 battleship with stargate's tech it looks like this ship is gonna be a true classic keep up the good work hope to see her finished soon

[Darkone]

How large is this ship?
I read that theres repusars so I guess it can land so I take it it's no longer then a standard sgc ,class!

[Nevets]

What is that object of the port bow? Hope it's a very powerful weapon because it has the appearance of being one.

[Alnair]

How large is this ship?
I read that theres repusars so I guess it can land so I take it it's no longer then a standard sgc ,class!

1100 m ;). At the moment it isn't finally decided whether the ship has the ability to land on a surface or not.

[Carach]

gun turrets look Russian to me :)

[Lee80]

nice to see your back on this one. Looks really good so far.

[Alnair]

gun turrets look Russian to me :)

Ak-130 ;).

[docprice]

Kinda reminds me alittle of the Maneirva from Gundam Seed Destiny. If you havent seen it, take alook you never know, you might find something you like.

[aylaa12]

its great to know that this ship is under development again this is a nice model with great potential for a moment I thought she was dead but I was wrong and believe me Alnair you are a great artist your work is impresive

[Alnair]

its great to know that this ship is under development again this is a nice model with great potential for a moment I thought she was dead but I was wrong and believe me Alnair you are a great artist your work is impresive

Thanks for the flowers. ;) It may take some time but this is the final version of the ship and it will be finished.

[Alnair]

Kinda reminds me alittle of the Maneirva from Gundam Seed Destiny. If you havent seen it, take alook you never know, you might find something you like.

Good ideas and inspiration are always welcome. :)

[Alnair]

The development of the armament reaches its final stage. Added some tomahawk style launchers. Light and heavy VLS systems are already in place.

[aylaa12]

mmmmmmmm magnificent Alnair if I may suggest you could try filling the blank spots with either maneuvering trusters or aa guns like those on the Achilles they looked really good on that model and on top perhaps a radar dish also similar to the one on the achilles overall impresive work

[Alnair]

mmmmmmmm magnificent Alnair if I may suggest you could try filling the blank spots with either maneuvering trusters or aa guns like those on the Achilles they looked really good on that model and on top perhaps a radar dish also similar to the one on the achilles overall impresive work

Maneuvering thrusters are a good idea. But to go better with the more canon SG style of this ship I will try a more unobtrusive design. I dont think that the original aa turrets of my old Achilles would fit. I have already modeled better looking turrets. The small and angular looking ones are interceptor batteries. Each with two six barrel gattling style rotary cannons. I'm already planning to reuse some parts of the sensors I have built for the first Achilles. :)

[mikala]

Wonderful to see you back at it on these types of ships.
Love watching your threads.

[Wilson359]

:thumb: Looking pretty awesome Alnair. Still like the original though ;)

[sarges_heroes2003]

Alniar, will the DKM Graf Spee make a appearance any where in here?? You do know the Achilles & Ajax are famous Royal Navy cruiser names do you not?

Just google "battle of the river Plate" to see for your self. I will post a little on it for those to lazy to go get it them selves.
The HMS Achilles & HMS Ajax were with HMS Exeter when they were sent to the south atlantic to hunt the comerce raider DKM Graf Spee. Graf Spee had 8 11" guns that could shoot out to 38 miles and several 5" guns & 8 torpedoes.
While HMS Exeter had 8 8" guns that could shoot out to about 35 miles, Achilles & Ajax were light cruisers and had 6" guns shooting some where between 20-30 miles range.
They fought a un-winnable battle with the lone graf spee and eventually bottled her up at a port up river plate. Graf Spee made a run for it and was sunk in the estuary by scuttling charges.
Graf Spee's commander believed the ships FNS Dunkirk (sp.) & escorts were just a days steam from him, the very ships designed to kill his very ship! These ships were really on the other side of the Atlantic and were no where near enough to catch him, but thanks to the British commander he believed the former not latter and so Graff Spee was scuttled instead of going out guns blazing like Hitler ordered him to do (from his comfy office no doubt).
So it is quite fitting that these Famous ships names become the biggest bad asses in SG universe. Thank You, truly thank you

[Alnair]

Alniar, will the DKM Graf Spee make a appearance any where in here?? You do know the Achilles & Ajax are famous Royal Navy cruiser names do you not?

Just google "battle of the river Plate" to see for your self. I will post a little on it for those to lazy to go get it them selves.
The HMS Achilles & HMS Ajax were with HMS Exeter when they were sent to the south atlantic to hunt the comerce raider DKM Graf Spee. Graf Spee had 8 11" guns that could shoot out to 38 miles and several 5" guns & 8 torpedoes.
While HMS Exeter had 8 8" guns that could shoot out to about 35 miles, Achilles & Ajax were light cruisers and had 6" guns shooting some where between 20-30 miles range.
They fought a un-winnable battle with the lone graf spee and eventually bottled her up at a port up river plate. Graf Spee made a run for it and was sunk in the estuary by scuttling charges.
Graf Spee's commander believed the ships FNS Dunkirk (sp.) & escorts were just a days steam from him, the very ships designed to kill his very ship! These ships were really on the other side of the Atlantic and were no where near enough to catch him, but thanks to the British commander he believed the former not latter and so Graff Spee was scuttled instead of going out guns blazing like Hitler ordered him to do (from his comfy office no doubt).
So it is quite fitting that these Famous ships names become the biggest bad asses in SG universe. Thank You, truly thank you

Regarding the choice of names it is all up to the authors ;). At the moment I don't know which names are planned for other ships of her class.

[Lee80]

The tomahawks look good, are you going to have them stationary or able to rotate?

[Alnair]

The tomahawks look good, are you going to have them stationary or able to rotate?

Stationary :)

[Lee80]

I thought that might be the case. anyway, Keep the updates coming :)

[Alnair]

I'm working on the command tower and the sensor arrays. First impressions...

[Dr Lee]

Sweer... Love the rear tower and the fins.

Out of intyerest whats the small sturcture between the missile hatches and the bridge?

[aylaa12]

cool sensors they look really good and like dr lee what is that small structure?????

[Alnair]

Sweer... Love the rear tower and the fins.

Out of intyerest whats the small sturcture between the missile hatches and the bridge?

At the moment just a dummy. The upper deck needs much more details. So I'm testing some layouts and additional structures

[Lee80]

very cool, has a bit of an Anime feel to it.

[amaysingstories]

That small structure looks perhaps like a missile director or illuminator for a semi-active homing missile.

[Alnair]

That small structure looks perhaps like a missile director or illuminator for a semi-active homing missile.

Was my idea ;)

[sarges_heroes2003]

ok, just thought you knew what the names meant. do u think they (the authors) would like to use british battle cruiser names?? they came up with some dandy's, indomitable, lion class, tiger class, they really had the best names! LOL :)

[Alnair]

ok, just thought you knew what the names meant. do u think they (the authors) would like to use british battle cruiser names?? they came up with some dandy's, indomitable, lion class, tiger class, they really had the best names! LOL :)

I did know that the RN used to use names of ancient greek heros for many ships. (old marine enthusiast since my early youth ;) )

[Dimitriy]

I find this model most inspiring...maybe it will give me some ideas for my own ship...

[cf.ru]

Is there any update on the control tower?

[aylaa12]

cf.ru friend welcome to scifi-meshes but its not cool to necropost on threads that are not active specialy if its more than two months old