USS Grandeur - Final Version

[Vektor]

Well, I finally have some more progress to show on the Grandeur so I guess it's time to resurrect the old thread, or reincarnate it as the case may be. I'd love to repost all of the WIP images from the old thread but I think that would be more trouble than it's worth. Besides, most of them are outdated at this point, so I'm only going to bother with some of the most recent ones...

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/plan_009.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_017.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_019.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_020.jpg

That's the first four. More to follow...

EDIT - Added a thumbnail image to show up in the thread list.

[Vektor]

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_021.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_023.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_024.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_028.jpg

[Vektor]

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_029.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_030.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_031.jpg

That's probably good enough to get everyone back up to speed. I'll post a few new WIP images in the next half hour or so.

[nhall]

Whoohoohoohoo! NICE! NICE! NICE! Not too TNG, Not too Sovvy. Nice blend of both eras, if you know what I mean. :D NICE!

[Auralis]

Yeah, another beauty is back!

[backstept]

nice to see this wip again
lookin good :D

[Vektor]

I made some decent progress on the secondary hull in the last couple of days. I'm building most of it as a single Sub-D object, as you can see from the following sequence of images:

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_032.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_033.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_034.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_035.jpg

I stuck a 6' human figure on the fantail as a scale reference. Originally, I thought the hangar deck opening looked like it wasn't tall enough but it's actually more than 26' high. Also, I think the fantail is jutting out there a bit too far so I'm probably going to shorten it by about half.

In case you're wondering, the hangar deck control booth is going to go in the box directly above the hangar doors. Neither the doors nor the details on the fantail are final.

[Tovette]

It's looking really nice. Clean mesh.

[Vektor]

And here are a few more views to show how the rest of the secondary hull is coming along:

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_036.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_037.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_038.jpg

Obviously, I still have more work to do, especially on the "head" area which still has way too much segmentation, among other problems, but things are coming along fairly quickly now.

[backstept]

man, that's marvelous
it's a very interesting shape. easy on the eyes :D

[REL777]

That secondary shuttlebay's design is sweet.

[Roliba]

SWEET HOLEY MOGLEY!!!

That is an awsome design dude. (just I just use the word awesome? What's next, totaly tubular?)

Seriously Vektor, that is a nice design.

[Euripedes]

I really love this design, and that is top-notch modeling. Can't wait to see the finished project. Another thread to subscribe to.

[slimdim]

Realy nice so far, good to see her back and being worked on.
The saucer seporatio looks nice.

[Captain Boh]

Maybe its the shape of the lip around it, or the lenth of the deck behind it, but I can't help but see an overbite when I look at the aft shuttlebay, at least from the angle in 036.

But very nice work. I still need to rob you of your power. http://members.shaw.ca/aknowlan/Smilies/shifty.gif

[shipfisher]

This beauty looks perfectly in proportion with or without the primary hull. How the H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS did you manage that :eek: ?. I think you got my share when they were handing out spatial perception :D .

[Freak]

Yes it back again! :D looking excellent! You really get the scale of thing with that little guy on the back! ;) keep up the good work!

[Admiral Danev]

that is some sweet ship, cant wait to see more done to it.

keep up the good work!!!!!

veruy interesting!!!

[paddy237]

oh this is great....definately gonna be watching this one again.....keep up the good work...or should i say outstanding work

[Dark Angel]

Oh I love it! Keep the fantastic work up! The nacelles are fabulous!

[CrimsonLine]

You should have used a TallGuy for scale comparison. It's all the rage these days!

[SFMDarkheart]

Love the nacelles, they look like the old 40s style space ships.


How am I supposed to keep up with you guys with the work I have lol

[lennier1]

Funny thread title but I´m glad you´re back and with you this project.

[D.M.J.]

Very nice curves, its rare to see something so carefully thought out in advance.

[BoogerMc]

Vektor, I like the longer fantail, it keeps the visual lines of the ship and doesn't make it look like you just chopped it off. Otherwise this is still one of my very favorites.

[Starscream]

I officially love the updated secondary hull. In fact, I love it so much that I want to marry it and make little matter-antimatter addicated babies with it...

:D



BTW, I think the new fantail looks superb - the shape really fits into the design style of all those sweeping elliptical shapes you have that kind of cut into the hull (eg around the deflector array, does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?! :D ). I hadn't really realised that something was missing from the rear of the ship until you added the shuttlebay - now it seems more complete.

[Nevets]

Love that stardrive section (not many ships separate nowadays). Very, very nice. I like this ship more and more.

[larundel]

glad to see this back....loving the process of the whole thing...keep at it dude.

[theCommander]

Yeah, well... we got a memo from the little blue guy here at the USS Grandeur-A Project Main Office.

It appears he wants to renegotiate his "standing around" contract. He feels it is degrading to his other poses. He said that he would like to be in shots like picnic scenes, walking hand-in-hand scenes, and even parking scenes, where he is able to pose better. Oh, and with a little blue babe too... he did add that.

[FrostRaptor]

Abso-frikkin-lutely gorgeous...

[Vektor]

Maybe its the shape of the lip around it, or the lenth of the deck behind it, but I can't help but see an overbite when I look at the aft shuttlebay, at least from the angle in 036.

I have to agree with you there, Boh. I've already shortened the fantail a bit, but I think the underbite effect will also be mitigated once the nacelle struts are reattached.

[Vektor]

You should have used a TallGuy for scale comparison. It's all the rage these days!

Hey, not all of us are as vertically endowed as the estimable Tallguy. ;)

[Vektor]

I officially love the updated secondary hull. In fact, I love it so much that I want to marry it and make little matter-antimatter addicated babies with it...

What is it with all these people wanting to mate with my ship lately? It's starting to creep me out... ;)

[Vektor]

Yeah, well... we got a memo from the little blue guy here at the USS Grandeur-A Project Main Office.

It appears he wants to renegotiate his "standing around" contract. He feels it is degrading to his other poses. He said that he would like to be in shots like picnic scenes, walking hand-in-hand scenes, and even parking scenes, where he is able to pose better. Oh, and with a little blue babe too... he did add that.

Hey, we already caved in to his demands about not having to stand in front of the aux deflector anymore. Personally, I think the whole sub-molecular agitation and festering skin lesion thing was completely overblown, but I was overruled by management.

[Ainur]

Very Nice, I've loved this ship since I saw that thread you made long ago before the Crash happened.

Although saying Final Version seems a bit like Sean Connery saying he will never play James Bond again and then doing it...Maybe in a few years you will do another one. You never know. :)

Excellent work though. Even if this were a final one, it would do it justice. Actually there would Justice left over. :)

[Eoraptor]

I still say you could use the shapes of the sever mode to make a pretty hot ship, but I love the over all sleek design too. mych nicer than that ugly Soverign class battleship.

[Icon1]

Are you planning on keeping the photon launchers in the front of the saucer section?

[Vektor]

Although saying Final Version seems a bit like Sean Connery saying he will never play James Bond again and then doing it...Maybe in a few years you will do another one. You never know. :)

Nope, this is it. I'm still hoping to make my June 19th deadline, but either way this is the last version of the ship I intend to build.

[Vektor]

Are you planning on keeping the photon launchers in the front of the saucer section?

They're pulse cannons actually, and yes I intend to keep them.

[Vektor]

Here's the shorter fantail. I've also added the groove around the rim of the secondary hull.

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_039.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_040.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_041.jpg

Does anybody know where I could get my hands on a 3d mesh for a Type 11 shuttlecraft? I found one in .MOD format that was created for the game Starfleet Command, but there are no import plugins that will work for any version of Max newer than 3 or 4.

[Dark Angel]

Very very awesome looking ship!:D

[Starship]

Welcome back ! I believe that the new pylons fits way better with the general shape. Perfect work ! :)

[admiral horton]

i like how this ship is shaping up

[Freak]

Very nice. pylons fits into the secondary hull very nicly!

[Icon1]

They're pulse cannons actually, and yes I intend to keep them.

Mt bad, its been a while since the last time I read the pre-crash thread. I was hoping you would.:D

[robert]

here you can get the type 11 shuttlecraft by arquelis
http://www.arquelis.com/index2.php

-> downloads -> type 11 -> select a format

[crackpatch]

Illigal access detected, ip has been recorded.

why mai i now download the akira?

[robert]

???
http://www.arquelis.com worked just fine for me

arquelis has a new website (blog-style) but on the right side there's a link to the old site where you can download the type 11 shuttlecraft.

anyway: vektor if you need the shuttlecraft and the website isn't working, i can send it to you

[barry1]

that looks freaking awsome baby, yeah baby yeah

[Vektor]

A tiny bit of progress to show:

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_042.jpg

Just in case the progress isn't immediately obvious, the old, low-poly placeholder for the primary hull has been replaced with a new hi-res version. It's just the base object so far but it's the last major piece to be filled in.

More soon.

[Ramiel]

YES!!!:shiner:

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Very impressive, I especially like the female-like curves. :D

[Freak]

sweet!

[Darth Malice]

Nice work man, real pretty ship...:thumb:

[Vektor]

A small update to the impulse engines:

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_043.jpg

I'm playing with a couple different techniques for merging the impulse engines into the saucer section and these probably aren't the final versions, especially since they're packed with WAY more polys than they need to be, but I figured they were worth showing.

[admiral horton]

i still like this design this is going to turn out to be a great ship

[BoogerMc]

I'm confused, which ones are the impulse, the blue thing or the things on each side of the rear edge of the saucer?

[Toragh1]

All three maybe?

[Vektor]

I'm confused, which ones are the impulse, the blue thing or the things on each side of the rear edge of the saucer?

All three are impulse engines, two smaller ones for the saucer and one big one for the drive section.

[BoogerMc]

Oh, ok. I like the overall design, I was just confused. Keep this coming Vektor, I really want to see the final product.

[Freak]

the impulse engines on the saucer remind me on the Ent-B. But that is not a bad think. keep up the good work.

[Choo1701]

The impulse engines work really well :thumb:

[CaptainRoop]

So far all is looking great

[Raideen]

Nice Design I always liked your work. :thumb:

[SDGreywolf]

Vec,

The ship is looking good. Now all we need is some detailing, registry numbers and tech specs and we will be ready to christen this beauty.

[NightShadow]

"Now all we need..."

:rolleyes:

Sheesh. Easy to say when you're not the one doing it, eh? :)

That said, Vektor HAS missed his second self-imposed deadline by, like, a mile. :devil:

[Vektor]

That said, Vektor HAS missed his second self-imposed deadline by, like, a mile. :devil:

Actually, I still have seven days left. ;)

[CaptainRoop]

Actually, I still have seven days left. ;)

Although you have made termendous progress on the ship and I know this is the final version coming into the home stretch, I would venture to say you would have to lose 6 nights of sleep, not go to work anywhere and rarely eat or drink anything, parking yourself in front of the computer for those seven days. I suppose you could do it, but you would be one whiped puppy.

Although I have heard of miracles happening :)

[Vektor]

^^ Yeah, yeah. No need to beleaguer the point. ;)

[Vektor]

I've gotten some significant work done on the secondary hull and the "head" that you only get to see when the saucer is separated. There are a lot of details here that are pertinent to the saucer separation scheme, so it's important to get them right.

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_044.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_045.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_046.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_047.jpg

Pay no attention to the battle bridge module. It's just a copy of the one on top of the saucer and will eventually be replaced by a different version. The segmentation you see around the rim of the "head" will also go away eventually.

Almost everything in these renderings is a single Sub-D object, all but the bridge and the docking bay doors, and it has really been straining my quad-poly modeling skills to their limits. I may yet go back and do a few things a little differently just to simplify the mesh and make the final version more efficient. Trying to build too much detail into a Sub-D object for something like this is just counter-productive; better to freeze it at a certain point and add the other stuff later.

Tomorrow I'm gonna do some more work on my Vanguard model, but I'll be back for another round of updates on the Grandeur in a couple of days.

[Freak]

the secondary hull is looking very sweet! Once you finished you plan on doing any animaton, with the sacucer seperation?

[chrono]

Wait a minute!

Don't you use edge weighing on some of the corners?

[Aresius]

I like the look...
and the fact, chrono is asking, I also like... Some lines should be drawn hared than others... To give it a 'Federal'- technical look...

[Fly]

This is really quite nice!

Ive always been envious of those that can create original work.

Awesome design Vector!

[killay]

smoooooth!!!! :p this is very nice ... especially where that little dude stands .
very ease, not to complex. nice work. bu the saucer doesnt have alot of segments, hope you can still change that.

good luck with the texturing and rendering!

[Vektor]

Once you finished you plan on doing any animaton, with the sacucer seperation?

Yes.

[Vektor]

Wait a minute!

Don't you use edge weighing on some of the corners?

Actually, no. I'm aware of edge weighting but I have little experience with it. I probably should really buckle down and learn how to do it one of these days.

[Vektor]

very ease, not to complex. nice work. bu the saucer doesnt have alot of segments, hope you can still change that.

The saucer? You mean the head of the battle section? The most recent WIPs I posted of the saucer have more than enough segments.

[theCommander]

"That said, Vektor HAS missed his second self-imposed deadline by, like, a mile. :devil:
...that you are aware of. :lol:

Actually, are we counting? I'm not. I really am glad to get great meshers like you two to work on my baby.
< wiping brown off of nose>

Good work, men! Vek, love the Vanguard stuff too!

[chrono]

Actually, no. I'm aware of edge weighting but I have little experience with it. I probably should really buckle down and learn how to do it one of these days.
Whoa... great line work then! :thumb:

[Starscream]

I kind of like the idea that the bridge modules would be almost identical - if they're removable modules as with most other bridges, then it would make a lot of sense to just have the one design; even if the interior is somewhat pared down on the Battle Bridge.

[Vektor]

UPDATE!!!

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_048.jpg

[USS Mariner]

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

Fantastic update. Love the little ribbing. Gives well-needed character there.

[Hellsgate]

Bravo! Bravo! *standing applause*

[admiral horton]

looking good

[Jayru]

Indeed... looking very good!

[Alareth]

So the little blue guy is on permanent assignment to the fantail I take it? Does he get a vacation?

[TheGreatRaja]

looks sweet

[-MerlyN-]

Very Sweet.

[Pleiades]

My GOD that is just AWSOME! Great work there.!

[acook59]

this is the most beatifully created ship i've ever seen, if only it were easier to create movies of fan ships

[al3d]

Looks realy good mate...but a better view would be appriciated..;)

[MichaelS]

I'm loving those nacelles. Please keep that little additional grille (or whatever it is)!

[Vektor]

So the little blue guy is on permanent assignment to the fantail I take it? Does he get a vacation?

He occasionally gets relieved by a Little Red Guy, but for some reason the red ones keep getting wiped out by stray phaser hits, alien space monsters, poisonous spores, etc, so you don't usually see them in the renderings. ;)

[Vektor]

Looks realy good mate...but a better view would be appriciated..;)

The view I posted was chosen rather carefully. Not that I'm trying to hide the rest of the ship, but I am choosing not to show certain details that aren't finished and also keeping a few surprises in store. There are details yet to add all over the ship but the secondary hull and nacelles are basically done, so that's what I decided to show for now.

But, just so you can't say I never did anything for ya, I'll post some more views of the nacelles shortly. :)

[exodus2310]

Oh wow. She is pretty.

[Vektor]

More progress on the warp nacelles...

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_049.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_050.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_051.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_052.jpg

I think these are pretty self-explanatory. All I'll say is that I know there is some segmentation visible, especially in the second image with the tight close-up on the bussard collector. My intent is to be able to use this model for animation so I am working hard to keep the polycount down, but I should still be able to fix most of the obvious stuff in the final modeling stages. By the way, the current polycount is about 186,000 for the entire model, but I haven't even started freezing and optimizing the Sub-D's yet so I'm still hopeful of staying under 200K.

[Ozylot]

Sweetifiying. :thumb:

[dilbertman]

COOL! Keep them coming.

Jim:thumb:

[darkthunder]

Awesome :D

[Jayru]

Fantastic!

[exodus2310]

Holy crap! Awesome!

[biotech]

Amazing!

How are you getting that hex pattern?

Is that a plug in?

I cant get over how smooth and organic looking the curves are.

[Vektor]

How are you getting that hex pattern? Is that a plug in?

No, I created a custom texture for the entire bussard "lens" including the black outline and the honeycomb pattern. The end result is a combination of diffuse, specular, gloss and self-illumination maps. I don't often bother with gloss maps, but in this case it was crucial to achieving the look of the honeycomb pattern in particular.

[Dark Saber]

She looks Fantastic. All you hard work is deffinently paying off. Great work

[USS Mariner]

You're pretty obsessed with hexes. More power to ya. :thumb:

I wish I understood sub-d as well as you do. Daaaaaamn.

[traq]

incredible, vektor. :thumb:

[biotech]

Thanks for the explination Vektor, now I am even more impressed.

[Vektor]

I wish I understood sub-d as well as you do. Daaaaaamn.

You know what's funny? Even though these warp nacelles are very similar to the previous version, they are an entirely new rebuild and I was downright shocked to realize how much easier it was this time than it was a couple of years ago. There is a definite intuitive/predictive knack to Sub-D modeling that takes a lot of time and practice to develop, or at least it did for me. It's kind of like chess in that you really need to be able to think multiple steps ahead of where you're at to achieve a winning strategy.

Since we're on the topic, here's a wireframe rendering of the base mesh for the warp nacelle before the two iterations of subdivision are applied:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_053.jpg

[Pleiades]

HOLY COW! Thats just jaw droppingly amazing! Great work.

[seanr]

My only complaint about this project is I don't have a big enough drool bucket to keep my keyboard from getting wet. :D:D:D:D

Nice work!!

[Brickhead]

Beautiful work, love this thread.

[Roliba]

More progress on the warp nacelles...


I think these are pretty self-explanatory. All I'll say is that I know there is some segmentation visible, especially in the second image with the tight close-up on the bussard collector. My intent is to be able to use this model for animation so I am working hard to keep the polycount down,

You know, it took me a second look even to see the segmantation, and that's even when you told me where to look. Cripes man, that's just freakin' awsome.

[Legolas25]

Absolutely beautiful. I love the saucer seperation pics, really cool nod to the Galaxy with the snake-head and such. Really really nice looking ship.

[Professor Moriarty]

I love the way the warp nacelles remind me of the hand phasers from Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. :cool:

[I_E_Maverick]

very cool modeling job. and a cool design too!

[Starship]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Holly crap !!! A W E S O M E !!!!!!!!!! Naceles are splendorous.

[Freak]

Holy S***!! that nacelles looks f****** assume!! nice job!

[davidvincent]

Holy S***!! that nacelles looks f****** assume!! nice job!


I second That! :thumb:

[Gothic_Goatboy]

man, I dont know how I have missed this thread. this is impressive!

[Aethernaut]

Very, very, nice. I probably said this before in one of the older versions of this thread but that nacelle design is one of the best I've seen in a very long time.

[cobywan]

OK. I want to make a model of this ship. A physical one.

It's the best Trek design in ten years mate.

[CaptainRoop]

OK. I want to make a model of this ship. A physical one.

It's the best Trek design in ten years mate.

If you are interested, and it sounds like you are, we already have plans in the works to have a physical model done of this ship. Maybe one big size so to speak, (Not sure of the exact scale) and the possibility of small scale models kits that people will be able to buy through are club to help our club funds.

Of course all of this will not take place until Vektor is done with the 3D model here in all of its conceptions. And as you may have read else where, a tech manual is still planning on being done of this ship as well.
Take our poll related to this if you like.
GrandeurPoll (http://www.sextondesign.net/ussgrandeur/poll/)

[CaptainRoop]

Just wanted to say we have been getting a few good replies to our poll but would like to hear from others, please if you have a moment take the time to take our poll, thanks.

[Falcon1]

Wow you still working on this baby, how long has it been? Like the blue color you have put up on some pic progress. I guess it makes the ship look more like explorer Fed than warship Feds.

Ever though about putting some launch bays on her? should look kinda right for some fighters maybe 1x or 2x squadrons

[homerpalooza67]

Sllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiicckkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
Nice design!!! Is it just me or are the nacelles completely original? i have never seen a design looking remotely awesome!!!!! You should take over paramount with that talent!!!

[JDR]

To work on what? In case you haven't noticed, Trek is a) dead and b) "Paramount" was never responsible for its own visual effects.

[Pleiades]

Not true :P He could work on the upcoming movie.

[JDR]

Well, I think Paramount needs to ask itself (And I quote Joss Whedon) "When does it stop being life-support and start being necrophilia?"

[Admiral T'Var]

ILM has ben responsable for virtualy all of Treks VFX for a good while and Trek might be "dormant" for now but Dead no It shall Rise again.

On Topic Awesoem ship man Very awesome I could see this ship making appearances in ST: Empires (my fanfiction project)

[CaptainRoop]

On Topic Awesome ship man Very awesome I could see this ship making appearances in ST: Empires (my fanfiction project)

Admiral T'Var I am Captain Roop of the USS Grandeur, if you get a chance sometime send me a private message and let me know a little of your fan fiction project you mentioned, just courious in what direction it was going, thanks.

[Vektor]

Well, this isn't the huge, awesomely impressive update I had intended it to be, but it's been so long since I posted anything new that I thought I'd better show something.

For starters, a full set of orthographics:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_054.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_055.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_056.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_057.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_058.jpg

And some perspective views for good measure:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_059.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_060.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_061.jpg

A few things to note before you start commenting:

1. No, the bridge and other details on top of the saucer have not been eliminated, they're just not in presentable condition at the moment so I left them out of these renderings.

2. The groove in the edge of the saucer is only temporarily absent and will be restored at a later stage.

3. The photorp/quantorp launchers above and below the deflector dish are not the final versions. I have a significant update in store for them in the near future.

4. The beam cannons on the bow and the auxiliary deflector just behind them are next on my list.

All for now.

[damo]

:eek: :eek: :eek::eek:

[REL777]

That is coming along nicely, gorgeous. Hey someone has made one of your designs into a small model.

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[BorgMan]

That is so cool. No offence to DS, but... I'd rather have seen that one as the Titan, because from a design viewpoint that's what I call original.

[Freak]

Nice, I forgot how cool this ship is!

[Redeyes]

I just started catching this thread. Very nice looking, has just a touch of an Andromeda feel to it, very different. Looking forward to the final model.

[Nutsy]

Really good to see this going again... please finish it this time :D

Great work again m8

[Nebula]

:eek: :eek: :eek::eek:



what he said ^^^ lol WOW OMFG WOW that ship owns!

btw Vektor if yah have time and a messenger please contact me ;) I have a ship you may want to look at and may want to turn into a cgi model :)

[braveheart1701c]

MAN OH MAN OH MAN!!! ... Majestic is RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!! ... Love the design of the engineering and Engines ( not too crazy about the pulons, but hey ) ... Can't wait to see the saucer section

[DamienNZ]

Whats with the NFC registry? Never seen that before.

[Road Warrior]

Hey that is just simply fantastic!

[Doble]

Sleek and sexy, I love this design, and your modelling is clean and efficient - can't wait to see it finished!

I'd love to see some wireframes too :D

[Eoraptor]

well, if I remember, NX meant Nacelle Experimental for the Excelsior and the NX01... (forget where I got that, I think it was from Scotts guide or some similar tome)

so... um./.... where was I going with this again? Nacelle Funky Configuration?

[Vektor]

Hey someone has made one of your designs into a small model.

Hey, that's pretty cool! Definitely a bit off on the proportions but still very cool.

[Vektor]

btw Vektor if yah have time and a messenger please contact me ;) I have a ship you may want to look at and may want to turn into a cgi model :)

Well, if you don't mind waiting four or five years for me to finish it. ;)

Seriously, I don't think I'll be taking on any more outside modeling projects in the near future, I just have too many of my own projects to finish.

[Vektor]

Whats with the NFC registry? Never seen that before.

I'm gonna leave the explanation for that one to Captain Roop. I'm sure he'll be along shortly.

[Nebula]

Well, if you don't mind waiting four or five years for me to finish it. ;)

Seriously, I don't think I'll be taking on any more outside modeling projects in the near future, I just have too many of my own projects to finish.


It has same style as this ship of yours.

[Doble]

It has same style as this ship of yours.

I'm looking for a new project, maybe you could post the designs on the forums somewhere and someone (or maybe even myself) might take it on?

- Doble

EDIT: Vektor I'd love to see some wires as well if you get a chance :D

[Nebula]

I'm looking for a new project, maybe you could post the designs on the forums somewhere and someone (or maybe even myself) might take it on?

- Doble

EDIT: Vektor I'd love to see some wires as well if you get a chance :D

I like the sound of that :)

got a messenger??

*back on topic*

can't wait to see more of this :D

[Vektor]

Here's three more for tonight showing some added detail to the docking bay and main impulse engine, as well as a glimpse of a Type XI shuttlecraft parked on the hangar deck.

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_062.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_063.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_064.jpg

Please note that a lot of the stuff surrounding the main impulse engine is just blocked out and definitely not final. I'm actually thinking about flattening the main impulse engine a little vertically and possibly adding a pair of photorp launchers between it and the docking bay landing deck.

Also, I'm thinking that the docking bay doors are awfully big and awfully blank. If anybody has any suggestions on how to add some interest in that area, up to and including totally reworking the doors, I'm open.

[Eoraptor]

Am afraid you've kinda boxed yourself in with the hangars.... Maybe just set in a small groove around the outside of the fairing that matches the saucer seperation line/accent lines you've already got there on either side, and make the flange a slightly darker color. Anything else will pretty much obstruct the opening.

Though maybe extending the faring back just a bit and the landing pad... but just a thought.

[CaptainRoop]

Whats with the NFC registry? Never seen that before.

NFC is the beginning registration letters we use in the IFT (International Federation of Trekkers)<--- Real Organization, She is one of several that belongs to a special division named the Interstellar Federation Taskforce (IFT)(More fictional name) and is distinguished by an NFC (Non-Fleet Commission) registry number rather than NCC, due to the fact that she is Federation sanctioned but not part of Starfleet herself.

I hope this helps some, If you would like a little more detail other then what I provided send me a private message, I will be happy to explain a bit more.

[cobywan]

I'm sure every aspect of this design has a purpose for being the whay that it is, but...Those main hangar bay doors are not good. Thier just too boxy and flat. I take it that they have to be as tall as they are to make room for a Runabout if neccesary?

I LOVE everything else about this ship.

[Eoraptor]

wow, stuff I actually didn't know, thanks Roop

[Vektor]

Well, I made some darn good progress on the Grandeur today. I got the bridge decks rebuilt, tweaked and modified the docking bay and the main impulse engine, added all the phaser arrays on the primary hull and restored the groove around its edge, and made some long overdue adjustments to the shape of the warp rudders on the nacelle pylons. I also pretty well finalized the design of the bridge module--on paper; I won't get around to the actual modeling work for a few more days.

By way of celebration, and to satisfy the numerous requests I've been receiving lately, I decided to do up a couple of wallpaper images using a gorgeous background I ran across a while back. Here they are for your viewing pleasure (you can click on these to download a 1280x1024 version)...

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/Grandeur_WP01_thumb.jpg (http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/Grandeur_WP01.jpg)

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/Grandeur_WP02_thumb.jpg (http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/Grandeur_WP02.jpg)

I must say these came out really nice, if I do say so myself. :D

Oh, and I'll post some actual WIPs some time tomorrow after I get some sleep. Enjoy.

[Doble]

5 Stars, looks awesome :D

[Nebula]

WOW outstanding

[CaptainRoop]

wow, stuff I actually didn't know, thanks Roop

Hey your welcome anything else about the ship just ask. For those that have been wondering about the specs you can read all of that here.
NewGrandeurSpecs (http://www.sextondesign.net/ussgrandeur/html/newgrandeurspecs.html)

This is the most upto date and I believe all is acturate. Hope this helps all who want to know more about Grandeur.

[BorgMan]

Vec, I really like what you use as a background of the wallpaper, you think you can give me a shot of that? Thanks :)

[Aresius]

nice...
really nice...

[Darth Malice]

^yeah, what he said...:thumb:

[seanr]

What's amazing is I thought this design was fantastic the first time I saw it, but it just keeps getting better every time!

[slimdim]

wow! she's looking grate.
Just one thing that puzzels me, how dose the saucer seporation work with the upper hanger (the one above the impulse engine). I can't see how the sep would work with the bridge stack section (for want of a better word), and from what I can see the sep would cut the hanger bey in half.
Sorry to be annoying, I'm just haveing that prob with trying to do saucer sep on one of my modles and was wondering how you were planning to deal with it.
Like I said before realy nice modaling I look forward to updates.

[Vektor]

Vec, I really like what you use as a background of the wallpaper, you think you can give me a shot of that? Thanks :)

Well, I sort of have some bigger plans for it so I think I'm gonna hang on to it for now. It is publicly available on the Internet, though, so you're welcome to try to find it yourself. ;)

[Vektor]

Just one thing that puzzels me, how dose the saucer seporation work with the upper hanger (the one above the impulse engine). I can't see how the sep would work with the bridge stack section (for want of a better word), and from what I can see the sep would cut the hanger bey in half.

Here's a WIP from earlier in the design process showing what the battle section looks like when separated:

http://home.comcast.net/~jasoncbl/images/gdr/new/wip_031.jpg

Obviously, some of the details have changed, especially the shape of the back of the neck, but the "head" is going to look essentially the same. As you can see, the docking bay is not cut in half, it just slides underneath the section of hull forward of the line of separation. Believe me, it took me forever and a near-maddening amount of trial and error to come up with a design that worked and was also aesthetically pleasing.

Hope that helps.

[Vektor]

Got a few more WIPs to show, probably the last for a few days while I take care of a few things I've been neglecting.

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_065.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_066.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_067.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_068.jpg

The bridge decks are new, aside from the brief glimpse I offered in the first of my recent wallpaper images. The bridge module itself is still just a placeholder, though the final version will look very much like it. The blocked-out object above the docking bay is also a placeholder but will eventually become a control booth to more or less match the one above the aft hangar bay.

Let's see... the name and registry number were just added last night using a different method of curving the text and making it conform to the hull. The method I used for curving the text was harder but more accurate, and the method used for conforming to the hull was MUCH easier than what I've done in the past.

I think the feature I'm most happy with at this point is the way the neck flows into the primary hull, the bridge decks and the saucer impulse engines. I've probably tried 20 or 30 different designs for that area over the life of this project and this is the first one I'm not only satisfied with but really, really like.

Things are finally coming together on this baby. If I can just work out the details on the underside of the saucer, the basic design will finally be DONE and I can start freezing the sub-D objects and really detailing things out. I'm not gonna set any more meaningless deadlines, but I could be within a month or so of finishing the modeling work, depending on what happens with my job situation in the near future. :thumbsup:

[Tallguy]

Still wow. Don't you get tired of hearing that?

[citizen]

Looking really good.

[Nebula]

outstanding work.

[Doble]

I love this ship, I demand more!

Oh, and vektor can you please check your email when you get the chance :D

- Doble

[3DTEKO6]

Great looking starship mesh, Vektor. It definately has a feel of Enterprise D somehow- and I like it.

[Blackangel]

If the upper bay is only for the Blackfoot is it necessary to have the landing pad? Wouldn't shuttles use the lower one.

[BoogerMc]

I'm gone a few months and he gets it right, guess I should stay away more often. Vektor, that is beyond words.

[Freak]

Every time I see this ship it just blows me away.

[Vektor]

If the upper bay is only for the Blackfoot is it necessary to have the landing pad? Wouldn't shuttles use the lower one.

If you want to get technical, I'm not sure if the landing pad for the docking bay is strictly necessary, but I needed something to set if off from the main impulse engine and it just worked with the flow of the ship's lines. Then again, the bay is just barely large enough to house the Blackfoot, so landing it outside and "taxiing" it in might be the preferred method.

I dunno. If you've got a better idea, I'm always open to suggestions.

[Vektor]

By the way, does anybody happen to know what the width of a typical phaser strip is in meters? I'm thinking the ones I currently have shown are too skinny at this ship's proper scale.

[traq]

I would say that the width varies with the size of the ship/ phaser type. it's certainly not very consistant any other way. if someone has the TNG Tech Manual, I think it lists dimensions, but I'm at work right now.

from an asthetics standpoint, they look fine as they are, maybe they could be a little wider.

looking great as always

[admiral horton]

i dont recall every see anything on the width of a phaser array i suggest to
work with it until the strip looks right the the scale of the overall mesh thats all i cant say sorry i dont have any inforrmation on sizes of phaser arrays

[-MerlyN-]

By the way, does anybody happen to know what the width of a typical phaser strip is in meters? I'm thinking the ones I currently have shown are too skinny at this ship's proper scale.


I have the german USS Enterprise Tactical Manual here, there it says the phaser banks are made of "small" comb-like elements 3,25 meters long, 2.45 meters wide and 1,25 meters high. My scanner is not working right now, but I'll attach an image later, when I got it working again.

[EDIT] here are the images... german, as I said, but u should get the message... ;)

[Sevlek]

Think about the same size as the space of a deck. protruding from the hull probably about .15 or .2 meters.

[Cerberus]

This ship SHOULD'VE been Riker's TITAN!!!! :p

[Melak]

Wow, Vektor you are a god:eek:
One question to Roop; your site states 650.000 metric tons for this beauty, and while it sure is polite to don't tell someone how much she really weights, I think the Grandeur does not look smaller than an intrepid class vessel, which is 1.000.000 metric tons (if I remember correct). Or do they have large recreation areas inside? :lol:

[IRML]

hey where did you get that earth image you used in the last set of renders? it looks really nice

[CaptainRoop]

Wow, Vektor you are a god:eek:
One question to Roop; your site states 650.000 metric tons for this beauty, and while it sure is polite to don't tell someone how much she really weights, I think the Grandeur does not look smaller than an intrepid class vessel, which is 1.000.000 metric tons (if I remember correct). Or do they have large recreation areas inside? :lol:

Well there is always a chance we could have made a mistake, I will try and do more research on it and see what we come up with. All else should be within specs.

Thanks for taking the time to point that out, nice to know we have some that check that sort of thing out.

By the way have you taken the Grandeur poll? Another way to see what people think of the ship that Vektor is doing. GrandeurPoll (http://www.sextondesign.net/ussgrandeur/poll/)

[Tveakk]

:thumb: :o :eek:

o man this guy inspires me to become good at modeling for the second time.


From heart, Thanx

[Vektor]

I finally managed to get some work done on the underside of the saucer...

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_069.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_070.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_071.jpg

And here's an alternate version of the inner phaser array that I'm trying to decide if I like better:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_072.jpg

This is the furthest along this part of the ship has ever been in any of its design iterations and the first time I've been truly happy with it. Seems like she's finally coming together after all this time.

[Aresius]

oh.. wow...

it's beautiful...

[Admiral T'Var]

its a sweet design I love it it looks a lot like the USS Gojira I designed in MS paint a few years back ive lost the pic in a HDD crash but the Gojira was far bigger it was 800 meters long and there are plenty of differances but the basic designs are close enough this could be the Gojira is it was bigger and had a few alterations. Keep it up Vector

[Ramiel]

Vektor, I'll keep the first kind of phaser (it gives a better sense of "movement" in the saucer... Just my 2c;) )

[Doble]

I like the second one more :P

Looking great as always :thumb:

[BEMEUP]

Beeeeutiful ship; still progressing nicely! I like the underside very much, doesn't look like it'll have windows on the floors :D

As for the inner phaser strip, without sounding treknical, if you're putting a sensor system there it might be a bit much operationally. The strip does serve well visually though! *deposits 2 cents into cup...

[seanr]

I like the second strip better than the fist.

[jimi kane]

Another vote for second, makes it look more Nem era than TNG, all good though. :thumb:

[Pleiades]

WOW, its looking awsome, so much organic lines, so much perfection, better take a step back from the com... :D

[EBOLII]

Oh my goodness...........................wooooooooooooo

what can one possibly say that is not spoken already? Vek a perfect job I am always pleased to see your posts

man..............I feel the envy

[Tallguy]

I think I like the first. It would be good to see the same view of both versions. But I think I like the "framing" effect that the two continuous strips give it.

[traq]

your site states 650.000 metric tons for this beauty, and while it sure is polite to don't tell someone how much she really weights, I think the Grandeur does not look smaller than an intrepid class vessel, which is 1.000.000 metric tons (if I remember correct). Or do they have large recreation areas inside? :lol:

most of a starship's mass is in its warp nacelles (the Ent-D's are 1/4 of the ship's total mass - 1.23 of 4.92 million metric tonnes), so maybe it's only 650,000 metric tonnes because they didn't install the coils yet. Check back next Tuesday.

[-MerlyN-]

Thats something I always wondered... how do you calculate the mass of a such heterogeneous and unlinear object as a starship?

[Admiral T'Var]

Im guesing somewere in a episode or in the TNG Tech Manual they said the weight of a ship and people use that as a basis cause frankly theres no other way sense we cant know the weight or density of a fictional metal (duranium, tritanium exct.)

Back on topic Im lovein' this ship cant wait to see more of it.

[Trekologist]

Vektor, very nice concept! I always enjoy your work.
Please keep it coming! :thumb:

[Drumming Hawk]

I love this design. I love this design ... Did I say I love this design? :)

[picard102]

Thats something I always wondered... how do you calculate the mass of a such heterogeneous and unlinear object as a starship?

Keep track of the weight of materials use. Or some fancy sci fi displacement.

[BoogerMc]

See, he did it again, I go away for awhile and he's back on track and blowing my mind. Damn it.

[larundel]

i cant beleive i missed this so much...i love the ship and as always your modaling is fantastic. keep at it vector.

[Vektor]

A tiny little update with a few refinements to the underside of the primary hull:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_073.jpg

Ignore the dark line behind the neck section; it's just some polygons that haven't been deleted yet.

[Dark Overlord]

you know, I generally hate so called "original designs" more often than not, when I click on the link I immediately wish I hadn't wasted my time.

I must say, I really like this one though. damn nice model. Not sure about the little wings, but overall, this is a pretty cool model.

[Freak]

She coming alone nicely.

[biotech]

Very good, cant wait to see the windows go in

[Spartan]

I'm still very much loving this design!! Keep the updates coming, I can't wait to see her completely finished.

[USS Mariner]

You know, I actually think a Galaxy-style sensor would fit this ship better.

[Digital Daydream]

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: she looks beautiful

[Masterjedi]

Very nice. Are textures in the works?

[Major Diarrhia]

I approve this product and or service. Great ship.

[no_mad11]

WOW! That is just awesome looking! I love the concept/design and you've done a great job on the modeling of it. Can't wait to see more of it.

[Vektor]

Thought I'd better make a post with an actual attachment so it'll show up in the thread list thumbnails.

[Vektor]

Or not. How does the thumbnail thing work anyway?

[seanr]

Seems to only grab the thumbnals from the first post (when it should be most recent thumb. Ugh).

[B.J.]

Yeah, Norman had to revert the system back to the old way of grabbing the thumbs from the first post, at least for a while until they can fix a memory leak or something. See here: http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/sfm-support-forum/5400-2d-3d-gallery-thumbnails-not-available.html

[MadKoiFish]

lol, so it shows prolly the ugliest sample attachment in the threads. . . I know mine would be.
Love that diviot where the sensor pod thingy is.
oh lol damn yours doesnt even show anything >_< still nice to have the feature back though.

[Vektor]

I'm finally making some progress on the secondary hull. Here's a shot of the main deflector and the photorp launcher mounted above it:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_074.jpg

The depth-of-field effect was inspired by the photos that recently popped up online of the Trek starship miniatures just before they were sold at auction. I love the way it looks but this one rendering took over 20 minutes so I probably won't be doing it too often.

Here are a couple more:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_075.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_076.jpg

A few things to note about the model's current state:

1. The hull textures are my usual generic placeholders and will eventually be replaced .
2. Several objects still need to have their edges chamfered to soften them a little bit. Just haven't gotten around to all of them yet.
3. If you're wondering what happened to the ring inside the deflector cowling, it will return. I was going to rebuild it today but I wound up spending almost all my time on the torpedo launchers. Speaking of which...
4. The reason the launcher on the underside of the deflector only has one tube is because it's a quantum torpedo launcher. I have some more greebles to add on either side of the tube as well. Oh, and the red glow would probably not be there unless they were preparing to fire; I just threw it in for dramatic effect.

For anyone who's interested, current polycount is a little over 207,000. That's actually down from almost 220,000 before I started optimizing the larger Sub-D objects, even with the addition of the torp launchers. With most of the optimizing left to go, I'm hopeful of keeping the finished model under 200,000, including modeled windows.

[Cerberus]

:D oooooo i love love love it!

[Vektor]

Okay, two questions for those more knowledgable than my humble self:

1. What is the "correct" size of a photon/quantum torpedo launch tube? I just eyeballed mine and now I realize they're almost nine feet wide! I'm already working on shrinking them down to about six feet at the most but it would be helpful to know if there's any kind of established measurement out there.

2. How the heck do I get a thumbnail to show up in the thread list? I know the board software is supposed to grab the first attachment in the thread but there must be some limitation on how far into the thread it looks because it's not finding my one and only attachment on the previous page. Whatever the reason, I need to know what to do about it now, up to and including starting a whole new thread.

[lt paul]

Looking good. I'm not sure on how big the tubes should be, but the casing are casket sized. Your best bet for reference is the refit enterprise I'm thinking.

[MadKoiFish]

it right now only looks in the first post for the first attachment.
Torps are about half a deck high depending on type. I think quants are smaller. (TNG movies) But I dont doubt later on you could launce them all from a generic tube. Accual measurements are something I havent had much luck with myself. I just guess roughly based on the type 4s seen in the TMP films.

[billtfargo]

This is probably way off base, but look at the first image. Doesn't it look like the robot from Short Circuit driving through a peekhole?

Maybe I am just sleep deprived......:D


I'm finally making some progress on the secondary hull. Here's a shot of the main deflector and the photorp launcher mounted above it:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_074.jpg

The depth-of-field effect was inspired by the photos that recently popped up online of the Trek starship miniatures just before they were sold at auction. I love the way it looks but this one rendering took over 20 minutes so I probably won't be doing it too often.

Here are a couple more:

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_075.jpg
http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_076.jpg

A few things to note about the model's current state:

1. The hull textures are my usual generic placeholders and will eventually be replaced .
2. Several objects still need to have their edges chamfered to soften them a little bit. Just haven't gotten around to all of them yet.
3. If you're wondering what happened to the ring inside the deflector cowling, it will return. I was going to rebuild it today but I wound up spending almost all my time on the torpedo launchers. Speaking of which...
4. The reason the launcher on the underside of the deflector only has one tube is because it's a quantum torpedo launcher. I have some more greebles to add on either side of the tube as well. Oh, and the red glow would probably not be there unless they were preparing to fire; I just threw it in for dramatic effect.

For anyone who's interested, current polycount is a little over 207,000. That's actually down from almost 220,000 before I started optimizing the larger Sub-D objects, even with the addition of the torp launchers. With most of the optimizing left to go, I'm hopeful of keeping the finished model under 200,000, including modeled windows.

[vf-1msx]

thats a cool looking ship

[Aresius]

Well, about the torpedos itself, you can tahe the StarTrek: Episode, where K'Eyhlr is introduced, as a reference...
There you see, that a torpedo has about the lenght of 2 meters and by relation the width of about 3 fourth of a meter... the heigt is rougthly 40-50 cm...
The fowwoling measurement I've found says 2.1meters for length, 0.76meters for width and 0.45meters for heigth... it's from the StarTrek: Technical Blueproint for StarTrek: TNG, so this is still canon...

The quantum torpedos are the same, only shaped different...

[Eoraptor]

Well, about the torpedos itself, you can tahe the StarTrek: Episode, where K'Eyhlr is introduced, as a reference...
There you see, that a torpedo has about the lenght of 2 meters and by relation the width of about 3 fourth of a meter... the heigt is rougthly 40-50 cm...
The fowwoling measurement I've found says 2.1meters for length, 0.76meters for width and 0.45meters for heigth... it's from the StarTrek: Technical Blueproint for StarTrek: TNG, so this is still canon...

The quantum torpedos are the same, only shaped different...

This is correct *nods* think also of Spock's Casket in ST:II. And remember also that the torpedo tubes also handles interstellar probes up to three meters in length (Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, TNG Technical manual) and that uantum torpedoe's are pysically the same size, but much heavier, which is why three-five p-torps can be launched at a time, but only 1-2 q-torps.

[chrono]

With the way your lighting set-up works it's almost a crime not to use a DoF scheme! I'd just do it in post. ;)

[Vektor]

My best estimate based on schematics of the Enterprise refit is that the torpedo tubes measure about 2m wide, which is more than enough to accommodate the coffin-sized casings we've seen on-screen. That's what I'm going with unless anyone can come up with something better.

[Admiral T'Var]

looking good though I think the torp launchers look to old school compared to the design of the ship but ill hold out final jdgment for the fully finished textured renders of the ship

[Vektor]

I thought a scale reference might be useful for evaluating the size of the torpedo launch tubes as well as other parts of the ship...

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_077.jpg

Sure enough, those things are big enough to launch a Peugeot!

By the way, the car model was an uncredited freebie I downloaded off some 3D Website or other a while back.

[admiral horton]

seeing a Peugeot flying at warp man thats a fast car

[Ahkileez]

I think that does an awesome job of helping to illustrate just how big these ships in Star Trek really are.

Sorry, pet peeve of mine when mentally picture these like fightercraft or something. They're enormous.

[BoogerMc]

First off, Vektor, Stop that, stop that right now!

I'm refering of course to blowing my mind once again with such beautiful work.

Second, when I built the launch tubes for my carrier I also based them on the size of my standard human (the one I use to establish scale) so all that has been said before sounds as close to right as we're probably going to get.

Third, I truly feel sorry for the poor soul whose car is about to be the first automobile to be destroyed by a photon torpedo (atleast as far as I know).

That is seriously wierd too.

[DamienNZ]

Stunning...

[Daryn]

Amazing work. Very nice indeed.

All I can think of though is... "I really want to see that car fired from the tube"
*makes a firing sound and pictures the car flying through space*

[Freak]

This looks great, but it a bit wired see a Peugeot sitting there!

[exodus2310]

Looks awesome!

[nico-r44]

Very crisp modeling Vektor!

[Choo1701]

http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_077.jpg



Careful, the goverment might want to put a speed camera there!! :shiner: :lol:
shall we come up with a list of cars you'd want to shoot out of a topedo tube? :p

Nice one Vektor :thumb:

[Aescapulius]

Nyahahah.

Now there's a way to exit the house!

[Countdown5]

Careful, the goverment might want to put a speed camera there!! :shiner: :lol:
shall we come up with a list of cars you'd want to shoot out of a topedo tube? :p

Nice one Vektor :thumb:

Okay... Now whos up for opening fire with a Hummer

[fenris357]

awesome work

any details on the ship itself? class, type, use etc?

but its one of the most intresting trek designs iv'e seen on here since the soulwoulf

[Aescapulius]

'Fire a Humvee across their bow, give them a warning!'

[Dark Angel]

Simply cannot wait for the textures! The ship's a beaut!

[Kenetor]

give the car mag wheels and watch it drive round and round the deflector!

awesome work so far! :)

Kenetor

[Aresius]

:D:D
the new Speedster...
The worlds first car to drive faster than the police can flash...

[CaptainRoop]

awesome work

any details on the ship itself? class, type, use etc?

but its one of the most intresting trek designs iv'e seen on here since the soulwoulf

It is an Avalon Class Ship (Up Grade) This page should help you a bit more. Not sure if anything will change on this page, but for the most part it is accurate.
NewGrandeurSpecs (http://www.sextondesign.net/ussgrandeur/html/newgrandeurspecs.html)