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biotech · 09-28-2007, 09:19 AM

Is it the top and bottom of an enterprise model saucer, or two tops?

It dosnt look like it has the "cutting into the ship" curve that the enterprises saucer underside has.

I've only really been looking into this ship for the last few days, and I know some of you will have a lot more experience with it.

**IRML** · 09-28-2007, 09:56 AM

a google search will answer this very quickly

http://www.mjtsc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/valk3l.jpg

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/ss_connie-779F.JPG

biotech · 09-28-2007, 10:09 AM

So definately two tops then?

Bearing in mind the bottom image is from a kit of the ship, not the actual one from the show.

I have googled this ship a lot, which is why I asked the question, since one of the pages I found identified one of the saucer parts as an underside.

hal · 09-28-2007, 10:10 AM

^ er, I think that model is upside down. Look at the registration it the wrong way around for underneath and the edge of the saucer tapers up not down.
This view shows that there are slight differences between the top and bottom. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/sc...stellation.jpg
You can see that the bottom curves out while the top curves in, and there are slight differences between the bridge and the sensor thing at the bottom. Looks like a modified top to me.

biotech · 09-28-2007, 10:28 AM

You know what it looks like to me?

Refit saucer top on the top, and original saucer top with refit bridge on the bottom.

psycho · 09-28-2007, 10:53 AM

i'm pretty sure that it's two refit tops. the top one sticks a bit more out, the bottom one has a nearly flat transition to the outer rim and a standard refit bridge dome on it, but without the bridge itself but a senser dome (dunno from which ship, maybe constitution, too) on it.

biotech · 09-28-2007, 10:55 AM

They seem different curves from the side, unless all the plans we see are way off.

MadKoiFish · 09-28-2007, 11:08 AM

I wouldnt trust any drawings period. I mean compare the bridge and sensor area the size alone is way off.
Star Trek: NCC2590 'Valkyrie' ('Stargazer' ??)
more photos of the thing. If it was a connine bottom there would be window holes (yeah they can putty em) and other molded bits specific to the lower saucer. (lots of grid line distrupting panels) and the lower saucer doesnt bulge then flatten like that.

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/md_enta-08.jpg

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/md_enta-10.jpg
note to slopes and the gridlines.

sadly a lot of resources for this ship are gone. Most of my links are dead.

hal · 09-28-2007, 11:49 AM

We know it's not a connie bottom, but we are trying to work out if the bottom is a connie top.

This pic http://www.mjtsc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/valk1l.jpg on the page Mad posted is actually the bottom of the constellation class not the top. This model has been refurbished for display and was refurbished wrong.

biotech · 09-28-2007, 11:56 AM

Yeah the bottom of the ship is the one with all the bulges and bits and peices.

At first glance it looks like another connie top, but original or refit?

I know its easy to take one look at the bridge, and assume the whole saucer is from the refit, but is it?

Sensor lines and aztecing could have been added later.

Besides, it was only the one in Picards ready room that was built from AMT model kits, the filming model was scratch built based on scalled up parts.

09-28-2007, 09:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
biotech SFM Oracle Realname: Rich Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hull, Yorkshire, England Age: 39 Posts: 3,718 Blog Entries: 2	So, Constellation Class Is it the top and bottom of an enterprise model saucer, or two tops? It dosnt look like it has the "cutting into the ship" curve that the enterprises saucer underside has. I've only really been looking into this ship for the last few days, and I know some of you will have a lot more experience with it.
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09-28-2007, 09:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
IRML GRRRRR!!!! Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,711	a google search will answer this very quickly http://www.mjtsc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/valk3l.jpg http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/ss_connie-779F.JPG
IRML GRRRRR!!!! Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,711	I pity the fool!

09-28-2007, 10:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
biotech SFM Oracle Realname: Rich Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hull, Yorkshire, England Age: 39 Posts: 3,718 Blog Entries: 2	So definately two tops then? Bearing in mind the bottom image is from a kit of the ship, not the actual one from the show. I have googled this ship a lot, which is why I asked the question, since one of the pages I found identified one of the saucer parts as an underside.
	Constellation class starship : Rick Sternbach concept runabout BSG Viper old school : BSG Colonial Movers now with updates!

09-28-2007, 10:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
hal SFM Obsessed Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: On average, The Atlantic technically! Posts: 1,289	^ er, I think that model is upside down. Look at the registration it the wrong way around for underneath and the edge of the saucer tapers up not down. This view shows that there are slight differences between the top and bottom. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/sc...stellation.jpg You can see that the bottom curves out while the top curves in, and there are slight differences between the bridge and the sensor thing at the bottom. Looks like a modified top to me.
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09-28-2007, 10:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
biotech SFM Oracle Realname: Rich Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hull, Yorkshire, England Age: 39 Posts: 3,718 Blog Entries: 2	You know what it looks like to me? Refit saucer top on the top, and original saucer top with refit bridge on the bottom.
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09-28-2007, 10:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
psycho SFM Guru Total Awards: 1 (more» ...) Join Date: May 2006 Age: 23 Posts: 525	i'm pretty sure that it's two refit tops. the top one sticks a bit more out, the bottom one has a nearly flat transition to the outer rim and a standard refit bridge dome on it, but without the bridge itself but a senser dome (dunno from which ship, maybe constitution, too) on it.
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09-28-2007, 10:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
biotech SFM Oracle Realname: Rich Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hull, Yorkshire, England Age: 39 Posts: 3,718 Blog Entries: 2	They seem different curves from the side, unless all the plans we see are way off.
	Constellation class starship : Rick Sternbach concept runabout BSG Viper old school : BSG Colonial Movers now with updates!

09-28-2007, 11:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
MadKoiFish SFM Oracle Total Awards: 1 (more» ...) Join Date: May 2006 Age: 34 Posts: 3,139	I wouldnt trust any drawings period. I mean compare the bridge and sensor area the size alone is way off. Star Trek: NCC2590 'Valkyrie' ('Stargazer' ??) more photos of the thing. If it was a connine bottom there would be window holes (yeah they can putty em) and other molded bits specific to the lower saucer. (lots of grid line distrupting panels) and the lower saucer doesnt bulge then flatten like that. http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/md_enta-08.jpg http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/md_enta-10.jpg note to slopes and the gridlines. sadly a lot of resources for this ship are gone. Most of my links are dead.
	Last edited by MadKoiFish; 09-28-2007 at 11:17 AM.

09-28-2007, 11:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
hal SFM Obsessed Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: On average, The Atlantic technically! Posts: 1,289	We know it's not a connie bottom, but we are trying to work out if the bottom is a connie top. This pic http://www.mjtsc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/valk1l.jpg on the page Mad posted is actually the bottom of the constellation class not the top. This model has been refurbished for display and was refurbished wrong.
	"Supposedly Cousteau and his cronies invented the idea of putting walkie-talkies into the helmet. But we made ours with a special rabbit ear on the top so we could pipe in some music". - Steve Zissou

09-28-2007, 11:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
biotech SFM Oracle Realname: Rich Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hull, Yorkshire, England Age: 39 Posts: 3,718 Blog Entries: 2	Yeah the bottom of the ship is the one with all the bulges and bits and peices. At first glance it looks like another connie top, but original or refit? I know its easy to take one look at the bridge, and assume the whole saucer is from the refit, but is it? Sensor lines and aztecing could have been added later. Besides, it was only the one in Picards ready room that was built from AMT model kits, the filming model was scratch built based on scalled up parts.
	Constellation class starship : Rick Sternbach concept runabout BSG Viper old school : BSG Colonial Movers now with updates!

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