New Series: Star Trek Titan or Other?

[Rivers3D]

I think the problem with Star Trek is since Rodenberry died Paramount treated it like the cash cow they turned it into - since no one but Brannon and Braga were around to give it a creative lead. So that left it to the Producers at Paramount to determine where it should go, which *always* makes for a big mistake when creativity and originality is the key to a show/franchise... as example is below.


Star Trek was on the wane with Voyager mid way through with falling ratings. Producers solution? - Seven of Nine. From what ive read, it did even worse after a brief rise (because of the borg storyline attached to her)


Then Voyager ended, and the Producers had to think up a new way to milk the cow. And Producers being businessmen, they looked to other franchises.
The one at the time making a comeback with a brand new concept of 'Prequel'? - Star Wars

Lets do a Prequel! Lucas is making money out of it! So can we!

Lo and behold, they copy another company's idea in doing a prequel, and because it's a rip off idea with a lack of imagination and care at it's heart you get "Enterprise", the worst received and ratings flop of all the franchise.


Producers go back to their boadroom and give it a hiatus, ... but still the thought of money lingers! Yes.. must... bring... back....trek!

Then, after a year or two, and seeing a *new* idea in action - that of the "franchise reboot" work of Batman in Batman Begins being a cinema hit, and then seeing James Bond produce its most successful film ever in a reboot to Casino Royale - the Producers race into the office the next morning and all shout the same thought they "all came up with on their own"...

"REBOOT!" "HEY! I SAID IT FIRST!" "NO YOU DOOFUS, I THOUGHT OF IT LAST NIGHT ON THE TOILET!" "YEAH!??! WELL I THOUGHT OF IT LAST WEEK WHEN I SAW BATMA...ERR... MY WIFE REBOOT THE COMPUTER!! YAH!"

And so we get the latest shallow offering that's only being created because other franchises have successfully made money out of "reboots".

To top it off, they love this idea because it brings back the characters that no following trek crew ever really replaced - Kirk, Spock, and the crew that have ultimate name recognition. (name recognition means less money needed on advertising what the product is about you see )




Bleh, it's a rant. - But it happens to be true. I'm just waiting for Levar Burton to keep his promise and start picking off Paramount Execs with a gun since they didnt keep it dead for 7-10 years.


And dont knock me for being a pessimist... i *want* this new cast and film to be great, i love Kirk Spock and the original cast. But after Enterprise and the obvious Paramount thought process, it gives me a pinch of realism at the same time.

[Lentowsky]

Originally Posted by homerpalooza67

@Lentowsky: I could help you get those mirror episodes where the mirror versions of nice people are cruel, heartless bastards. and the mirror versions of cruel heartless bastards are really nice, wimpy bastards. You probably love the cylons, 'cause tehyre cool, religious, evil and hearlless bastards as well. Come to think about, yo dont you just make your OWN show about cruel heartless bastards, that way you dont need to bother anyone else about it

So, at what point in this should I decide to ignore you because you are working on being snide and insulting?

Or is it snide and rude?

Because thats how it is coming across to me........

[homerpalooza67]

Originally Posted by Lentowsky

So, at what point in this should I decide to ignore you because you are working on being snide and insulting?

Or is it snide and rude?

Because thats how it is coming across to me........

sorry didnt mean to be rude/or insulting. I get carried away sometimes. from your posts, it seems you enjoy the "darker" side to a story. So what is it that you like, the confrontation between good and evil, where evil wins, or you just enjoy the darker characters? I'm just curious...

btw, i prefer garak to dukat. garak is interesting, but dukat is just an arrogant bastard
and sisko could kill one person for the greater good; picard would try and save both and fail misrably...

[Lagit01]

Rivers3D your totaly right in what your sying and don't get me wrog i lov e trek to bit but enterprise was just shoby work and boring storyline they should definatly bring back the days of exploration maybe in a new galaxy with new races and ideas with new teck and SUPER WARP! lol they need new blood they do its all those havered degree know it alls at paramount saying we need this and we need that but really were happy in the past. I want momey returns to happen on our beloved gene rodenbury so he can kill the ppl whos ruined his show and let him set things right.

[Lentowsky]

No worries bud. Tis all good.

Darker characters actually, I like them to have a bit of menace to them. Good guys who have an edge to their personalities vs the Picard types. Or simply have more willingness to damn the torpedoes, as it were......

I do like military characters who have a light side, but they have the ability to be ruthless when they need to be. Rather like Garak I guess.

Where ST is concerned, I'd really like to see military type characters act like soldiers instead of bureaucrats.

The Imperial Roman-esque feel of the Mirror episodes was more interesting to me, probably simple cause it was different than the usual stuff.

[Lagit01]

quiet right i would personal like a cross between TOS and Voyager as in the feelind of damnation in voy and the feeling of eploration in TOS would b oerfect for me and would taylor for all types of trekie

[DarthMcWord]

I think Trek needs a break. A long break. No stupid prequals or movies by JJ Abrams, just a break. Trek will still make money for the executives but creatively, there is nothing new. Give it a decade or two and then make a new series. The Next Next Generation.

[NanoGator]

Mm... if I were asked what I'd want to see in a Trek series, I'd tell them to go watch the first season of Robotech and take notes. I'm not talking about the mechs or the aliens. I'm talking about a ship loaded with 70,000 civillians stuck on a several month trip back to Earth. It was more interesting to me to watch these people try to thrive under those conditions than the actual war was. (Although, it really did hit home when the battle nearly wiped out Earth... Although I think seeing how the people lived just before that really nailed the point home.)

I suppose that'd be sort of a BSG meets Voyager sort of thing. Not the most original idea, but I typically find the people more interesting than the plot.

[homerpalooza67]

Thats true. Kirk definitly had depth (except when trying to seduce newly-discovered aliens ), and he played off of spock rather well. He definitely had no qualms about lying to his superiors when he had great need, (ex: "Uhura, the comm's broken- we can't receive any incoming messages from stafleet. UNDERSTAND?") [ST:VI]. But he was also moral, often making the ethical choice over the legal one, and damn the consequences.
But instead of going back to the kirk days and retconning, a more obvious approach would be Ent B, With Capt John Harriman and crew still mourning the untimely death of Capt Kirk. But they would have to have depth to the characters, not just a star trek storeyline. And that darker personality, the "devil inside of us" is what makes interesting people.

[Lentowsky]

Originally Posted by homerpalooza67

Thats true. Kirk definitly had depth (except when trying to seduce newly-discovered aliens ), and he played off of spock rather well. He definitely had no qualms about lying to his superiors when he had great need, (ex: "Uhura, the comm's broken- we can't receive any incoming messages from stafleet. UNDERSTAND?") [ST:VI]. But he was also moral, often making the ethical choice over the legal one, and damn the consequences.
But instead of going back to the kirk days and retconning, a more obvious approach would be Ent B, With Capt John Harriman and crew still mourning the untimely death of Capt Kirk. But they would have to have depth to the characters, not just a star trek storeyline. And that darker personality, the "devil inside of us" is what makes interesting people.

Hmmm, I rather like that idea too. There is what 90 years worth of history between the two series? Amazing just how much can happen in just under a century. The 20th is proof of that. And a totally green captain, like harriman was portrayed to be in Generations, might be interesting too. Get away from the self-confident, experienced ship handlers.

Though I kinda think that the actor that played Harriman might be getting a bit old to remake his character. He is starting to look he's in his forties now......