A question for seasoned artists on SFM

[Deks]

Hello everyone.
Well, this might fit more into the request section of the forums, but taking into account how that particular thread is not fairly frequented ... this was the next logical section.

In any case, a colleague of mine saw some of my images in the gallery section.
He has an establishment which is capable of hosting art exhibitions, and is interested in creating a Scifi setting at one time using Trek images that I made.

So this is basically a question for those whose meshes are in the images I made.
Would you permit those images (some of which contain your meshes and will remain FULLY credited) to be in the exhibition?

I intend on sending an email to some of those artists who are not on this website, but a lot of those e-mail addresses are obsolete and non-functional so it would be tough to get in touch with them.
Don't ask me if the exhibition would be selling the images or not.
I won't have that information until Monday, and of course I cannot/will not allow it if the artists of the meshes don't agree.
Of course I would be willing to share a certain % of the earned money with the artists in question provided of course the exhibit would include selling.

But even if you don't agree that the images which contain your meshes to be sold, would you agree that they are on the exhibit merely for the viewing and not for profit?
If not, then I shall only use images that contain my own meshes or call it off all-together.

Most of the staff here on SFM knows me, or at the very least got to know me over the years as much it's possible over the net.
You know I am very protective about artistic rights and that all credits must be in every image (so nothing in that aspect would change).

Here's the list of artist on whom this message applies:
Todd Krumpf (Romulan ship from the ENT era),
EBOLII (Dominion bug),
Sarod (Voyager),
Mushroom starbase and Type-9 shuttle from Scifi-Art (I never had the individual artists names who made them),
Paul Trenkler (Sovereig class),
Eric Peterson (Maqui ship),
Nico Weigand (Galaxy class, drydock, Defiant),
Elim Garak (Ds9),
Arquelis (Akira class).

That's about it.
Some of these are here on SFM, but most are probably not.
Trenkler, Sarod, Peterson, Nico (at least he wasn't here in a long time), Elim Garak (I think), and possibly Arquelis.

I know it's an unusal request/question (particularly since it's coming from me), but it might be interesting.
However if you guys don't allow it, then I will definitely respect your wishes.

[Andrew March]

You can't sell them mate, paramount would come down on you like a tonne of bricks unless you can get a license from them to sell trek related products.

[L2K]

no. as far its not their things. they just look like.


everytime you make a painting of a plane and sell it, you dont have to send money to boeing...

[Deks]

Would they now?
All the way to Balkan?
Scratch that, I think Paramount would go to the end of the globe even if $10 was at stake.


Yeah, I am aware of Paramount and their eternal hunt for money.
Then again would they ever know even if the images are bought by private folks?
This isn't exactly a high profile exhibition we are talking about after all.
Still, yeah for a moment I forgot about the notorious Paramount.
It looks like a regular exhibition is in order.
Then I just need permission to show the images in a non profit exhibition that contain other people's meshes.

[Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Deks

Mushroom starbase and Type-9 shuttle from Scifi-Art (I never had the individual artists names who made them),

I'm pretty sure the Type-9 was Staffan Norling's. The mushroom station was by Pedro, I think (his real name escapes me atm).

[Martocticvs]

Yep I've used the type-9 before, and I definitely remember it being Staffan's

[NanoGator]

Originally Posted by Deks

Yeah, I am aware of Paramount and their eternal hunt for money.
Then again would they ever know even if the images are bought by private folks?

a.) That doesn't make it right.
b.) Who's going to buy Star Trek artwork?

[chrono]

The same people who buy Boeing artwork.

Heh!

Don't forget that the gallery also has to get some permission to show ST artworks, especially if any entrance money is trading hands! It has to be purely a "public" showing.

[Deks]

Well, this isn't the US after all, and to many people here, Scifi in general is something they don't see every day.
Plus if the images are aesthetically pleasing ... then yeah, people would buy them.
And my friend knows what kind of audience would be interested in such artwork.

But you do realize I was mostly kidding about the selling part in the second and third posts, right?

It would be interesting from a hypothetical point of view to see if they'd gain some kind of money value in the eye of people, but ultimately speaking it's dubious from a legal point of view when it comes to selling and Paramount.

However do enlighten me a bit more on the subject matter.
I read on it, but some points are unclear.
For example, if I recreated the NX-01 in 3d and made images with it which are entirely original and my own, what kind of rights do I have in regards to such artwork if we take into consideration that the only thing which is not directly mine is the design itself?
Could Paramount if they decided to do so, be in a position to claim images and models I made as their own?

Theoretically speaking virtually everyone here are threading on thin ice with Paramount for recreating existing Trek designs or making new ones, plus using them to make images or even animations if I'm not mistaken.
Sure, this site is not in the business of selling those images, but still, wasn't there a debate about this very issue some time ago and that we ARE in fact somewhat breaching Paramount rules?

[NanoGator]

For example, if I recreated the NX-01 in 3d and made images with it which are entirely original and my own, what kind of rights do I have in regards to such artwork if we take into consideration that the only thing which is not directly mine is the design itself?

'Likeness' would be a better word than 'design'. I don't think they could 'take' it, but if you made money on it, you bet they'd either fire off a cease and decist or even sue you for damages. I'm stalking strictly in the USA, though. I don't know what type of agreement they have...