Doctor Who Season 2

[biotech]

Plus all those Daleks around in 2006 and yet ten years in the future, that texan billionair still doesnt know what he has in his alien museum.

[Martocticvs]

Plus earth was invaded by Daleks on more than one occasion in the past but people seem to have forgotten that by the time of this!

[juanxer]

Well, I think contrast is good: Tennant wouldn't have been so effective without having Eccleston there before, and I believe the Doctor and Rose's relationship becoming so intense will surely affect how the Doctor deals with his next companion, Martha Jones (Freema Agyeman):

BBC - Press Office - Freema Agyeman is new companion to Doctor Who



About the stories feeling rather rushed and so, I guess it is because of nowadays' children's attention span: surely they think two-parters is the longest form they can allow themselves to produce.

[NanoGator]

Originally Posted by Sphynx

Nano, if you've taken things in my post personally - sorry, but that's your problem not mine. Nothing that was said in my post referred to any single person. When I said that there were people who took everything out of the Dr. camp at present as being brilliant, I was being 100% accurate, and not just on SFM. If you deemed that the comment referred to you (even when it is clear in my post that it is not being aimed at any single individual), then again, not my problem.

Ok. Accepted, but it was not clear that I wasn't targeted as you were mainly responding to me. You could have been clearer. Not your problem? Welp, it's your presentation. You have more control over how your posts are read than I do.

TBH Nano, you have taken points from everything that I've said and taken polar view on issues in orde to make your own point. Who said I did not think characterisation was not important? Not me - in fact my comment was "It's not just about characters, it's also about..."

Fair enough. I think I mixed up a little of Biotech's post into yours. Apologies.

Rose is not the first and will certainly not the be last assistant. I think that they painted themselves into a corner with Rose - they've built her up far too far into a 'relationship' with the Dr. He's meant to be alone - that's what the Dr. is. Change that without providing the appropriate additional background, and he is no longer Dr. Who. The assistants provide a method by which he can come out of his shell - all I've said is that they took Rose too far, especially when they effectively had to regard her encounter with Sarah as a 'draw'. To me, that single encounter with Sarah and the unspoken interaction, was far more effectively done (er, not the episode itself I'm afraid) than most of what they did with Rose.

To each is own, but I do *not* agree. Of course the Doctor is alone. He's more alone now than he was in the original series. He's also reaching the end of his life. These 'changes' are exactly the sort of changes people go through in life. To say that he's supposed to be one thing or another is to imply that there should be no growth. No, I will not agree with this. What happened with Sarah was eye opening, but it was not the same as the Doctor developing feelings as strong as he did for Rose. In fact, it was his relationship with Rose that really sharpened the point of that episode. :You never mentioned me?" You couldn't have had one without the other. Maybe you did get more out of the encounter, but it wouldn't have happened as strongly without Rose.

Well, in this one Nano, I think that you just made my own point. For the short time that the conflict was taking place, there were only things going boom! and the few deaths involved were pretty normal for a Dr. Who episode involving a major villain. There was no time to either build up to, create, or see the consequences of it all - that was the whole point about what I said in an earlier post. That whole episode could have only have taken place over a few hours and any 'consequences' can only take place after the show, totally unseen, in the same way as any other show.

That's what made this episode interesting. There were consquences. The Doctor lost Rose. The most important person in his life *Poof* too far out of reach. Had this been the original series, it just wouldn't have gone there. It would have lost a lot of its meaning had their relationship been more platonic. This is not the sort of thing we've seen before in Doctor Who.

You seem to talk Nano as if I'm some luddite how thinks that things should not change - well in that, you'd be wrong. Very, very wrong and TBH Dr. Who has never been a show that could do that anyway. With every change that has taken place over the years, with every new Dr. and new Director at the helm, Dr. Who has morphed into something new. Unfortunately, however, in some of these episodes they are treading the same water and having an enemy appear, do a dreadful deed, then be wiped out in the time that they are currently spending on the story does indeed smack of re-treading the same formulaic rut of other well loved shows that you refer to.

That's a LOT stronger than I would have put it, but frankly, you're not far off the mark. And you're right, they have tread on the same water. Look at Fear Her. (Forgot to add that to my list earlier.) (For some reason, that episode is a fuzzy spot in my memory.) That said, though, I don't think I'm wrong. Doctor Who has taken the villains and used them to flesh out the relationship between the Doctor and Rose. (Now I'm retreading. Yeesh. Where's my coffeee? ) Doc gets closer to a companion, people jump in and say "no no, that's not right! That's not who he is!", what's done isn't accepted because it's different, people use old episodes as references for how they would have handled it. Sorry if I'm wrong (that's your problem ), but that's how I read it. Missing the forest for the trees, and all those other cliches.

[Sphynx]

Well, only a couple of points to your reply (I think that we're coming to the end of this cycle ):

Being alone is the Doctors very being - he conciously rejected Timelord society and repeatedly screamed at them because they interferred with his life out in the cosmos. Almost every assistant that he has taken has been semi-reluctantly, and often just for expediancy. Now, yes, Galifrei is gone - but other than anger, there is no other evidence yet of other ways that its affected him - especially as his only family is 'safe' on Earth of the 21st century anyway.

I would never say that I would jump out of my seat to scream that's not who the Doctor is - if nothing else because it is a different Doctor in every rejuv., physically and mentally. I believe that he's capable of anything - I just don't believe that he would have changed to-the-core principles of his character for Rose. I don't believe that Rose's character was that special to justify that change. On top of which...damn, look at the age difference...

I do disagree on the Rose's 'loss' having less meaning if it were platonic (not that there is any indication that it wasn't) - especially as she's not dead as such, but living on very happily. To take just one comparrison that I've already made - Adric's actual death took place in a similar fashion of Rose's potential death. He too was safe, then went back into the fray. In the story his loss affected not just the Doctor, but also Teegan and Nyssa for nearly a season afterwards.

Also remember as well, that the old series 'did go there'. If anything was possible, I think that it would have been between the Doctor and Leela or Romana - especially as in the latter case the actors were married at the time anyway - that would have been easily accepted by the public at large, even in the 70's and 80's.

Oh dear - there's another reference to the same thing being redone...Romana stayed in N-Space and the hole was sealed, never to re-open...oh, well...

[NanoGator]

I can't reply lengthily right now. Just wanted to say:

1.) I appreciate you keeping your cool. Just reread what I wrote and I wish I had been a little more tactful.

2.) I agree about the cycle bit. It's not my intention to argue to the death.

3.) I apologize for being repetitive.

More later...

[Freak]

just found out Tourchwood starts up soon on BBC3. I don't have the time & date but will find out and post here.

*EDIT DUE TO SPELLING MISTAKE*

[Freak]

The BBC has started to advertise Tourchwood, with an air date of the 22nd October on BBC 3.
the adverts look like it could be enjoyable.

@Mod's can we change the title of this thread to "Doctor Who & Toruchwood" Thanks.

[Unimatrix]

According to the Sun, Torchwood starts on 29th October on BBC3.

Cyberwomen sound abit silly since the idea of cybermen were that they removed colour, creed, class and well, sex. Since all that is left is a brain in a metail suit with no gender perhaps its PC gone ape**** again...

OMGzorzs111!!! Cybermen are sexistzzzlololz therz no w0men111

[Freak]

have not seen the Sun artical, but I saw the adviert on the BBC2 just before Exrta started, it said the 22nd. the Sun must of got it worng.

here is the office web site BBC - Torchwood - The Official Site