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Old 03-21-2008, 08:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Comparing WW2 to Trek warfare is moot since we are talking about a culture about 370 years from now that underwent fundamental changes before they joined the interstellar community.
Despite how Trek portrayed it on screen, it cannot be taken too seriously and as an actual depiction of the Trek's 24th century because let's face it ... the show was made initially by humans in the late 20th/early 21st century and A LOT was changed/sacrificed/adapted to squeeze in the drama and appeal to present day audience ... not to mention that a lot is contradicting most of the things that were ever said about specific cultures/technology/events.
I find it hard to think that an organization as the Federation (that has over 150 member worlds on top of that working together, sharing resources, technology and whatnot) would limit itself specifically to the early 21st century Human POV when they are supposed to be completely different from the large majority of the present day to begin with (and that's just a small part of it).

So having a captain in charge of a small crew would be nothing unusual.
And like I said ... not every individual or captain would want to get a huge or large ship to command.

Freighters/garbage scows and other types of designs have captains (and they don't amount to a large crew compliment really).

The Nova class starship introduced in Voyager was about 180 meters long, while the Defiant is about 125 meters long.
Granted the Nova has more decks, is larger and is able to hold more crew as a result, however, Ransom didn't seem to have a large crew.
If Voyager's episode is any indication, it's possible the ship launched with about 50 people on board (Voyager never launched with a full crew compliment either as it could probably hold about 200/250/300 in total)
Ransom said he lost more than half of his crew, and if the scene in Voyager's mess hall was any indication, he had about 15 of them left (if we account for potential losses of any crewmen during their stay in the D.Q before meeting with Voyager).

As I said, there are different kinds of missions a ship can be assigned to, so a captains presence might be essential.
I reserve the possibility that lower ranking officers would get a hold of commanding smaller ships initially if they are not sent on any missions that involve diplomacy/exploration and other functions in which a captain could be required.
However, I suspect that even then, the crew would be monitored by higher ranking officers.

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Old 03-24-2008, 10:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Excalibur X-BC 001 is not a starfleet vessel or apart of any large fleet. it was designed using back engineered alien tech to build the first human built battleship. the skipper of the ship didn't go thre any form of training in an academy, it was basically on the job training threw a rebellion. basically there is no one commander of the ship. the CO is decided by the mission ahead and so on.........

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Old 03-25-2008, 01:55 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Your mass is completely unrealistic. Is this thing made of tinfoil? And, I second the comments on spellcheck, and putting the cart before the horse with worrying about the ship without some info on the characters or story. I'd like to like it, I'd like to get into it, but you need to give us something more to chew on. Can you put up more?
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Old 03-25-2008, 07:37 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Excalibur X-BC 001 is not a starfleet vessel or apart of any large fleet. it was designed using back engineered alien tech to build the first human built battleship. the skipper of the ship didn't go thre any form of training in an academy, it was basically on the job training threw a rebellion. basically there is no one commander of the ship. the CO is decided by the mission ahead and so on.........
A military ship essentially run by committee? Yikes! Oh, you need to make up your mind. First you use "skipper" in the singular, denoting a single officer in command of the vessel, then you state that the ship has multiple commanders. So, who decides which crewmember becomes ship commander for which mission? What if you have crew with overlapping skillsets and experience? How do you decide who is in command?

Better yet, you do realize that just because someone has knowledge of a specific set of mission parameters, does not mean that they have the skills and/or knowledge to command a military vessel? IE, the crew may not be willing to accept commands from them.

I think you might be trying to fit entirely too much into that hull for the size. Landing craft plus a short fighter squadron? In a ship shorter than a football field? Add up all those heavy anti-ship weapons you call for, plus crew, plus all the internal systems needed to run ANY kind of ship, and you aren't going to have much room for dedicated launch and recovery facilities. And small craft need alot of space.

@amaysingstories: 7100 tonnes sounds fairly reasonable to me. Using modern ships as a base, the Arliegh Burke Class destroyer stretches out to 155 meters in length with a displacement of just over 9000 tons. Double the length with only a 50% increase in mass.

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Old 04-01-2008, 10:01 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Thanks for you sugestions, i am using all to redesign and adapt the shape and design of the ship from comments made. as with the "committee" it was a figure of speach, perhaps a bad one...

I wanted to design a ship that was small, light and fast and maneuverable.
Although it is a little to short on the Mass side, many people seem to think in the way of the "Star Trek" side of starships.

It is possible for a ships hull to be made from "new" materials specifically designed for that "universe"

as for the spell check... i keep forgetting...

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Old 04-01-2008, 03:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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...but... but what about the story...?
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Old 04-02-2008, 04:59 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The story has been completed, currently i am reviewing for changes, for the second draft.

I really don't want to mention anything about it just yet untill i have finished the second draft, hopefully it will work out as planned, although i have seen a few things that need altering... you know, stuff i forgot to mention after earlier noting in the story line and so on, as well as things that can alter the entire story.

although i am currently in the process of running a second story based on the first, past a few who are involoved in the original. don't worry i am not going to place it up here... well starship designs atleast

although I may place the first chapter of the original draft up later.

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It would be like putting a Captain in command of a corvette. It just doesn't happen.


bof, grades changes.
in france they have 3 levels of captain (capitaine de corvette, capitaine de fregate, capitaine de vaisseau)
in germany they work in other way and so on. (id like to see how they are organised in india/china)

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