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    i have two scenes you could cut, and will save you at least 5 minutes.

    edit / or cut scene 29 "deep space 12" its a 3 minute scene and it really doesnt add much to the story cause the next scene it is mentioned that Garr struck again, so showing it is not needed...

    same with scene 24 "Iss voyager" this scene is just shots of Garr wondering the corridor, still not adding anything, and then entering a cargo bay, both of which add nothing to the story....

    and for these scenes do i have to bring up the music debate again?

    and i know that you said you are not touching the holodeck scene but editing that down a bit will be less copyright infringement for TPIR on top of the fact that it could be any set and it would make sense as long as it had lcd screens and lights, maybe change it to a bridge of an older ship maybe the TWOK Ent refit bridge so that the TWOK uniforms would be explained? and that will save render times, as you have stated that the complex set for that scene has longer render times....

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    Quote Originally Posted by batboy853 View Post
    edit / or cut scene 29 "deep space 12" its a 3 minute scene and it really doesnt add much to the story cause the next scene it is mentioned that Garr struck again, so showing it is not needed...
    So given the choice between finding and removing tedious and dry dialogue or a scene that's pure Rule of Cool combined with Crowning Music of Awesome, you choose the latter??? We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. And actually, showing Garr's evil deeds instead of just talking about them is a deliberate move--one common criticism of TNG was that cool happenings were too often heard of but not seen, and I didn't want to fall into the same trap here. If you feel there's redundancy between this and Thornton's message, then the answer is to cut dialogue from Thornton's message.

    same with scene 24 "Iss voyager" this scene is just shots of Garr wondering the corridor, still not adding anything, and then entering a cargo bay, both of which add nothing to the story....
    Again, we're going to have to agree to disagree. The purpose of this and both other "20th century song" sequences is to lay the groundwork for Scene 38, which we've already established is not going to change (more on that below).

    and for these scenes do i have to bring up the music debate again?
    There was a music debate?

    and i know that you said you are not touching the holodeck scene but editing that down a bit will be less copyright infringement for TPIR on top of the fact that it could be any set and it would make sense as long as it had lcd screens and lights, maybe change it to a bridge of an older ship maybe the TWOK Ent refit bridge so that the TWOK uniforms would be explained? and that will save render times, as you have stated that the complex set for that scene has longer render times....
    To open with "I know that you said you are not touching the holodeck scene," and then spend a whole paragraph telling me to change it, is...not logical!

    Actually there's another explanation for the TWOK uniforms that we won't get until the very final scene. Given that we've seen gold Constitution models in both Reyf's ready room and Garr's office I very nearly did go the TWOK bridge route, but then someone brought up the fact that the "old bridge" gag had been used bigtime in "Relics," and I didn't want to do the same. (I actually made a test scene with different dialogue that assumed a TWOK bridge, but it came out terribly). And as a matter of record, doing anything with the TWOK bridge would actually be worse, because its render times are actually longer than TPiR's are. And no, it couldn't be "any set," LCD screens or not--most of the reason I chose TPiR to begin with was that it's such a surprise, but as people have guessed it's meant to show Garr's eccentricity (in addition to his nostalgia) in a way that talking about it never could.

    Sorry, but Scene 38 is off-limits.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNZdNhwqjOc

    Scene 39B now available for viewing! This one's a must-see.
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    The scene is gone, but feels like it mirrors the conversation from GENS a little too closely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr-Timelord View Post
    The scene is gone, but feels like it mirrors the conversation from GENS a little too closely
    Gone? Yes, it seems to repeat that a bit. But it works really well here.

    @Tnpir: I understand that you cant cut the externals all out, but trim a few here and there. Without rewatching the whole thing, i would have you keep it more or less intact. if its 2 hours, so be it. You can release it in 2 parts at the same time, and have it available for download as one large file. I wouldnt worry too much; if its good storytelling, then keep it. Dont trim too much or you can ruin the story.

    When i have free time (ha!) I may attempt to watch it through and give feedback
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    The callback to Generations (and the role reversal that's really obvious as a result) was deliberate; this scene is, literally, the first one that was conceptualized with Data, and is the primary reason he's on the Fitzgerald in this movie.

    @homer: I'll tell you what, I'll meet you halfway. I still want to try and get rid of any "fat" that can be trimmed, but if it's still over two hours and twenty minutes (the projected total runtime) when we're through, I'll split it in half as you suggest.
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    ouch tnpir4002 you didnt have to flat out shut me down i was just trying to give you my suggestions like you asked the page before, if you did not want suggestions, then sorry that i read something wrong... as a film student while they maybe cool, I still feel that they dont add to the movie. and the music debate thing was something that i brought up the first time you asked for suggestions on the Iss voyager scene, on the music, i said that rock and roll doesnt exactly fit with the feel of the film, gave more than several scores that would have worked perfectly, and again you pretty much told me i have no clue what i am talking about and blew off all suggestions that were presented....

    sorry for just trying to help.

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    @tnpir: Dont release it as a movie and a sequel, just as 2 parts for easier watching. Unless you want to split it into 2 movies, lol.
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    @homer: I should've been clearer, I didn't mean two halves in the sequel type sense, just two halves of the same movie, just broken down for easier downloading
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