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    I wasn't a hater, but I'm really not digging that latest trailer
    I pity the fool!

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    I was cautiously optimistic, but the more I see the more that optimism is dwindling. I wanted a proper prequel or something set on the Prime TOS era. While I wasn't expecting 1960s styling, I was hoping for something closer to the original. This is not that, in fact it looks further from the original than the newer movies do. If they wanted to do something that was nothing like what we've seen before, they should have set the series in the far future from the TNG time. The Shenzou looks like it belongs to that era anyway.

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    I was sceptical at first, but the more I see, the less I look forward. It looks nothing like Trek. It's a joke.
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    Rumors and speculation (and an annoying number of commercials):

    https://youtu.be/tQcLLfzzKWA

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    So, still dwindling the same format.
    If people google 'should we build a dyson sphere' they'd probably get an inkling we already have the means to initiate the transition into a Type II civilization on a Kardashev scale and get there rapidly with exponential construction via automation.

    Now, Star Trek humans would if anything reach Type II level easily by building Dyson Swarms like the video suggests.
    Realistically, by the NX-01 timeframe, the technology would have been so advanced that if humans were in the midst of making the Dyson Swarm immediately after FC with the Vulcans, they would have likely finished the swarm by 2150 and built another one nearby.

    Sigh... with replicators, the process could easily be self-powered by the star itself and done in a radically smaller time frame to boot.

    I don't mind them having starships and exploring the galaxy, but this idiocy of them not achieving Type II status by now is absurd - technologically, the 23rd and 24th centuries could easily initiate the transition into Type III.
    Actually, technically speaking, they could easily be a Type II, but just never focused their technology towards that use.

    I would love to see Trek reimagining itself like this, or at the very least showing us that the Federation has indeed harnessed the power of the star by building Dyson Swarms across its space since early days of the Federation (even if an actual Dyson Sphere shell is a bit impractical - but that doesn't mean a swarm can't do the same job).

    Of course this would require of the writers to use their brains for a change and the technology that Trek has put to actual practical use that can produce really nice results.
    Environment shapes Human behavior. Greed, selfishness, competition, etc. are learned patterns of behavior as a result of living in an outdated socio-economic system that's based on scarcity and an unsustainable ideology of 'indefinite growth on a finite planet' that creates conditions where such behaviors will inevitably emerge.
    We need to unleash our science and technology into the social system which desperately needs an update.
    Reserarch the Venus Project and Resource Based Economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deks View Post
    Of course this would require of the writers to use their brains for a change
    That's where it all goes up in smoke. But, it's not just the writers. Stories with Star Trek usually have to follow a certain set of parameters and be approved by producers. That's where things usually go south. They get narrow vision with what they think it should be like and won't allow fresh ideas in.

    I have to say that Star Trek's formula is probably something that's outdated in our current society. That's why the older shows work so well, they were great for the time and are still enjoyed by fans. However, trying to put the world of Kirk, Spock and the others into our modern times is what's not working. The problem is, they can't seem to get past what worked in the past and onto a new formula and that reimagining that you want. Nor is it likely to happen. As much as I love Star Trek, maybe it's just time to move on to fresh Sci-Fi properties and leave Trek that was to us fans who still enjoy watching the older shows and movies. Ten years ago I probably wouldn't have said that, but the more recent offerings have been lackluster.
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    Would a people that can move easily and at will from star to star make the enormous effort to build a Dyson Construct? If advanced physics is your enemy, and you're stuck around one, or even a few stars, then a Dyson Construct would be one of your options to continue the species.

    If advanced physics is your servant, you can spread out, move from world to world, or even make your own worlds to order, if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rojren View Post
    Would a people that can move easily and at will from star to star make the enormous effort to build a Dyson Construct? If advanced physics is your enemy, and you're stuck around one, or even a few stars, then a Dyson Construct would be one of your options to continue the species.

    If advanced physics is your servant, you can spread out, move from world to world, or even make your own worlds to order, if you like.
    Building a Dyson Swarm would be proverbially easy for them (we can already do it - and much faster than what the video 'should we build a Dyson Sphere' suggests - because it doesn't take into account use of superior synthetic materials and faster than exponential developments in science and technology)

    Having a Dyson Swarm in every populated star system would be incredibly useful even if you have starships capable of transporting you across the galaxy.
    Think about it, with a Dyson Swarm, you have essentially incredible amount of energy at your disposal for a colony or a Federation member world to create more star-ships, other mega-structures, etc.
    You can then use that energy to link various star-systems using subspace ... all being powered by the massive energy of the harnessed stars.

    Now, given the existence of shields and technology capable of manipulating subspace (not to mention the fabric of the reality), you could easily 'secure' star systems with impenetrable shielding (generate a massive shield around a solar system which would be next to impossible to penetrate), massive defensive arrays that are self-upgrading/modifying, etc. (all acting through the Dyson Swarm - which is made up of energy collectors - and we've seen in Trek that a single platform can be/is multi-purpose... well, it is like this for the Federation - we can make a multi-purpose platform as well).

    Technically speaking, the fact that the 24th century was represented as a side-grade in technology vs the 23rd is ridiculous. And I never bought the fact that Warp drive was as slow as that it would take 75 years to cross the galaxy.
    Namely because we never saw ships travelling at Warp 9.9 (21473 x LS) for extended periods of time. Voyager was rated at a sustainable cruise velocity of 9.975 (which would have brought them back home in about a week's time), but it almost never even traveled at 9.9 (they usually cruised at Warp 7 or 8, possibly 9).

    People expressed skepticism at Voyager's ability to affect repairs to itself from one week to the next along with photon torpedo replacements (even though self-repair was demonstrated on the shows before and the crews' capacity to innovate - freaking heck, the computer can do all the innovation for the crew and create new technologies and upgrades which it can integrate itself EVERY SINGLE DAY - with that approach... the ship would probably evolve itself inside a few days [seeing how the computer operates at incredible speeds and uses FTL principles - and automated R&D is nothing new and is thousands of times faster than humans RIGHT NOW]).

    With the technology at their disposal, replicators could be powered by nearby stars in an uninhabited star system and the ship could easily replicate everything it needs from that energy (by the 24th century, ships hulls would likely have the ability to convert solar into usable energy at 100% efficiency and beyond) since we know replicators convert energy into matter (and don't need actual matter to work).
    Antimatter might be trickier, but if they can rebuild whole shuttles and boost anti-matter reserves using omicron particles, it's a bit dumb they can't find a way to make anti-matter in the field separately. Trading with other species would be unnecessary for supplies. The only viable reason they'd do it is to promote cooperation and good first contact maybe.

    I never bought for a second you'd need to disassemble a ship to make a settlement or a colony with Fedration technology. Why bother?
    Use the ship's transporters and replicators to create self-sufficient settlements (again, using the sun's power) and leave the ship as is for patrol, defense and a very powerful computer core for R&D (heck, you could replicate those computer systems on the colony from scratch and delegate them to R&D).
    Oh yes, they can manufacture shuttles and complex hardware on ships, but for settlements they apparently need to disassemble the ship? Lol.

    I mean come on, automation is nothing new and was well known in the 1960-ies... the fact that people would need to largely operate ships in the future was a bit obscene and less than convincing.
    But at that point, the writers probably didn't know everything that was possible technologically. They didn't have access to the Internet after all, so accessing such scientific knowledge would have been slower... and not all science consultants would have been aware of the Dyson Sphere proposal or considered it viable (even though it was and is today if modified to instead create a swarm or energy collectors).

    Trek did a few things right such as presenting a future where money was for example eradicated and there was emphasis on cooperation and free exchange of resources and ideas (which would explain rapid advancement of the Federation in comparison to other races when coupled with automation)... but technology-wise, the writers were not really pushing it far enough (because, they weren't using automation as much they should have, least of all AI - and now add the prowess of 150 Federation worlds into the mix... even without AI doing all the research and this being delegated to simpler/specialized algorithms that take ideas from all over the place and expand on them, the technical and scientific breakthroughs would have positively trounced anything we actually saw in Trek by several hundreds or millions of times - getting such ideas from over 7 billion humans on just 1 planet would have skyrocketed development... nevermind similar cooperatives from 150 different species combined).
    By the 23rd century, Federation should have been exploring other galaxies apart from our own... never mind the 24th century.

    But, there's still time to rectify the issue.
    Namely, Trek can easily be taken into a new (bold and progressive) direction and just explain why this never happened before was simply because they didn't think it would be necessary (even though technologically speaking, they could have).
    So, I'd love to see Trek series tackle creation of the Dyson Swarm (keep a non-monetary economy for the Federation - but use a Resource Based Economy approach as proposed by the Venus Project) using super-fast/efficient automation techniques (self-replication if you will), and pushing themselves further along with other alien species with cooperation taking precedence.
    You can still create compelling stories using that approach as opposed to dumbing everything down - just not sure if the people would be interested in such a show.
    I'm thinking they might.
    Last edited by Deks; 10th Sep 2017 at 19:54.
    Environment shapes Human behavior. Greed, selfishness, competition, etc. are learned patterns of behavior as a result of living in an outdated socio-economic system that's based on scarcity and an unsustainable ideology of 'indefinite growth on a finite planet' that creates conditions where such behaviors will inevitably emerge.
    We need to unleash our science and technology into the social system which desperately needs an update.
    Reserarch the Venus Project and Resource Based Economy

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    I refuse to pay to watch this. I will watch the free ep on CBS but I do not see how CBS can think people will pay to watch Star Trek.
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    They're hoping people will pay to watch it. But, no, I don't see this idea flying either.

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